can WE now start a countdown to a new coach and qb

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I dissagree with you the line did a good job and only on the play that Tuck was given a free shot at Portis did they trully "mess up"... They did well against maybe the best Dline in football. Campbell lost all my confidence in him as a starter. He held the ball to long and made bad decisions. We need to sign Jeff Garcia before its too late!

Sorry to pick on you dude, but comments like this just seem like people who latch onto media commentary and don't actually base things on fact. Other than the fumble and INT, what bad decisions/held the ball too long did he make? In the scheme of the whole game, can you really point to those 2 plays as the entire reason we lost?

Please detail to me his 'bad decisions' and times where he 'held the ball too long'. If you already had your mind made up before the game that he wasn't the answer at QB, I'm cool with that, but say it, don't act as if there were things that happened yesterday to push you over that edge.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Sorry to pick on you dude, but comments like this just seem like people who latch onto media commentary and don't actually base things on fact. Other than the fumble and INT, what bad decisions/held the ball too long did he make? In the scheme of the whole game, can you really point to those 2 plays as the entire reason we lost?

Please detail to me his 'bad decisions' and times where he 'held the ball too long'. If you already had your mind made up before the game that he wasn't the answer at QB, I'm cool with that, but say it, don't act as if there were things that happened yesterday to push you over that edge.

Well we did loose by 6 and they got 7 off the fumble so if my math is correct witout that fumble they have one point less so we win. The int. was in an area if we did not score a TD we would have been in FG range so that might be another 3 or 7 points and I'm not sure if the Giants scored after making the int..

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well we did loose by 6 and they got 7 off the fumble so if my math is correct witout that fumble they have one point less so we win. The int. was in an area if we did not score a TD we would have been in FG range so that might be another 3 or 7 points and I'm not sure if the Giants scored after making the int..

So the fact that we didn't tackle a soul, ran the ball in situations that clearly called for a pass and basically played a crappy game had nothing to do with the loss, right? It was on 2 plays?

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So the fact that we didn't tackle a soul, ran the ball in situations that clearly called for a pass and basically played a crappy game had nothing to do with the loss, right? It was on 2 plays?

Answer the man damn it!!!

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Please detail to me his 'bad decisions' and times where he 'held the ball too long'. If you already had your mind made up before the game that he wasn't the answer at QB, I'm cool with that, but say it, don't act as if there were things that happened yesterday to push you over that edge.

I have been on the campbell boat for a long time, until this game. He has all the physicals tools, but he is afraid. I believe that Campbell dwarfs our widereciever's abilities and make them look bad by not getting the ball to them. His QB rating is so high because he always check's down. His fears causes him to have no trust in the players around him.

No matter what u have to say about the defense they held the Giants to 16 points. As for campbell I will list 3 mistakes among the many that I saw from him in the game.

1. The Osi fumble and TD... Campbell held the ball for like 4 seconds, never stepped into the pocket and seemed completely unaware of the rush upon him. He later admitted in an interview that he was waiting for the check down to open up. As a qb give your wideouts a chance! throw it up and let them make a play!

2. The audible to a run on a 3rd and nine! To me it just looked like he was afraid of the all out blitz, and put it in Betts hands. That was miserable.

3.The series after D.Hall made the pick and put them in favorable field position. Campbel was terrible, he burned a time out, looked like a deer in headlights, check down to many times and was scared to air it up.

He doesn't get his recievers involved in the game. He only goes to his favorite recievers often forcing it. Either to Moss, Cooley, or Randle el... or he's gonna check down! Facing a team with only 3 db's and putting a showing like that is absolutely terrible.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I have been on the campbell boat for a long time, until this game. He has all the physicals tools, but he is afraid. I believe that Campbell dwarfs our widereciever's abilities and make them look bad by not getting the ball to them. His QB rating is so high because he always check's down. His fears causes him to have no trust in the players around him.

No matter what u have to say about the defense they held the Giants to 16 points. As for campbell I will list 3 mistakes among the many that I saw from him in the game.

1. The Osi fumble and TD... Campbell held the ball for like 4 seconds, never stepped into the pocket and seemed completely unaware of the rush upon him. He later admitted in an interview that he was waiting for the check down to open up. As a qb give your wideouts a chance! throw it up and let them make a play!

2. The audible to a run on a 3rd and nine! To me it just looked like he was afraid of the all out blitz, and put it in Betts hands. That was miserable.

3.The series after D.Hall made the pick and put them in favorable field position. Campbel was terrible, he burned a time out, looked like a deer in headlights, check down to many times and was scared to air it up.

He doesn't get his recievers involved in the game. He only goes to his favorite recievers often forcing it. Either to Moss, Cooley, or Randle el... or he's gonna check down! Facing a team with only 3 db's and putting a showing like that is absolutely terrible.

We'll agree to disagree on some points (I don't necessarily think Campbell is as much scared as he is uncomfortable in they way Zorn calls the game. His shotgun/under center numbers are glaringly calling for more shotgun.)

As to your points-
1. This from an article in the times The most defining and damaging play, however, happened when Osi Umenyiora, the Giants' All-Pro defensive end who missed all of last season with a knee injury, stripped the ball from Campbell, recovered and returned it 37 yards for a touchdown to give New York a 17-0 lead with 2:11 left in the first half.

The Giants also took away the deep pass but, said Zorn afterward of his quarterback, "He's got to get rid of the ball better."

Campbell disagreed. "Everyone says I held on to the ball too long, so I guess I'm supposed to throw it into coverage," he said sardonically. Yes, he should have stepped up but in no circumstance am I in support of just putting it up and 'give the WR a chance'. That mistake is on him for sure but his mistake was not stepping up and taking what the defense was giving him, not simply 'holding the ball too long.'

2. That audible was awful, no excuses. The resulting Giants possession resulted in the Hall interception. It had no negative impact on the game.

3. The 3 plays after the Hall INT were Portis run right for -5 yards, Portis swing pass for 8 yards, timeout when Campbell got to the line with less than 6 seconds on the play clock, sack with nobody open to preserve a FG chance. When you get the ball at the 11 yard line, there's not much room to 'air it up'.

My main gripe with a lot of Campbell complainers is they just regurgitate what they hear others say with little football basis to back it up. He has to make positive strides, improve explosive plays, make more plays with his feet and make smarter/faster decisions, no debate. Writing him off with the way the game was called against a very tough opponent at their house is kinda foolish.