can WE now start a countdown to a new coach and qb

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

It's hard to win when the qb throws an interception putting the opposing team in great field position (eventually leading to a td) AND fumbles, which is returned for a td.

That's 14 out of 23 points that Campbell's mistakes directly can be blamed for. There's no excusing that.

Um. No. Things don't work like this.

If you want to use expected points, you can only put 3 on Campbell per INT. I mean, hell, they didn't even score off that turnover. You can dock him something for the fumble as well, but remember that he's not necessarily responsible for the recovery or the tackle, especially after the sack.

If Campbell turned the ball over no times, we might have saved 7 points. But a lot of that's just circumstance.

I'm fully aware the defense didn't give up 7 of those 23 points. But they also didn't let the offense on the field for the majority of the first half. That's on them.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Um. No. Things don't work like this.

If you want to use expected points, you can only put 3 on Campbell per INT. I mean, hell, they didn't even score off that turnover. You can dock him something for the fumble as well, but remember that he's not necessarily responsible for the recovery or the tackle, especially after the sack.

If Campbell turned the ball over no times, we might have saved 7 points. But a lot of that's just circumstance.

I'm fully aware the defense didn't give up 7 of those 23 points. But they also didn't let the offense on the field for the majority of the first half. That's on them.

What it was the O that kept the D on the field most of the game. The 7 points was on JC and the fact he has no clue how to use the pocket. He freaking rols right into 1/2 of his sacks.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What it was the O that kept the D on the field most of the game. The 7 points was on JC and the fact he has no clue how to use the pocket. He freaking rols right into 1/2 of his sacks.

firstdown, you're very full of shit. Pardon the language, there's just no other way to put it.

You can't ignore 10-15 play drives by the Giants BEFORE THE OFFENSE WAS ON THE FIELD for the first time. You can't.

Unless you didn't see the game. Stop watching the gametrack on NFL.com and use your TV.