Smoke Signals: Rock Cartwright needs to get over it edition

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Rock will survive. He's the special teams cockroach only more likeable

He consistently makes good decisions, and keeps us away from the goal line.


I think it was pointed out before, that when you sort the list and get him as 22nd, you are including people with less then a minimum number of returns, like #4 on the list-Reuben Droughns, 1 return, 34 yds. Not really accurate for this discussion. But I would encourage you to sort that list by 40+ yard returns, and then compare his spot, and if you want to look further, look at where his 20+ returns put him with those who are tied for his spot when you sort that way. You might be surprised.



Paraphrasing MattyK Rock has griped before, but when he steps on the field he will give you everything he's got.

Totally agree with you. My point of putting the list up was to show that you can't always throw up stats unless you know what the stats are showing. I knew he was better then 22nd, but I would also say he doesn't get 40 yrds per carry. If you are looking at that stat there probably are only a few who have gotten 40yrds on one carry a yr. I would probably look at his average which is more to what he can do for you. Eliminate the others that only had one carry or two and keep the KR's that worked all season. Those numbers would be closer to his abilities.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If I count right, he is 9th. There are 2 guys, one with 13, and one with 16 who are also above him, so I think it is safe to say he is in the top 3rd of the kickoff returners. I think that along with; with his #4 ranking in kickoff returns over 20yds, and no fumbles, and he is tied for the 10th spot in kickoff returns over 40 yds, and 7 of those guys (note 15 total including ties) did not have a TD return either - shows he is a top notch ST baller.

Thanks for the stats, and Id have to agree, although I still dont like his sudden attitude. He has definetely earned his spot, but he acts like someone has cheated him, and I think thats way off. He is a 5'7 guy who started as a fullback, he has carved a nice niche for himself, but he needs to keep quiet and keep ballin!

[SBXVII]

If you look at the list and start with #8 cause that is where the KR's start having a good number of carries and go down the list eliminating all the single digit runs Rock is 12th. Thats where I would put him only cause I think D.Smith's scheme sucks.

[SBXVII]

Maybe if he even stepped up his game and started PRing he would get more carries.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

If you look at the list and start with #8 cause that is where the KR's start having a good number of carries and go down the list eliminating all the single digit runs Rock is 12th. Thats where I would put him only cause I think D.Smith's scheme sucks.

Well you are kinda playing numbers (i used 20+ carries, because that was the question, you used >9, which only adds 2 but drops him from top 10 to 11Tied, then you ignore the tie and just say he is 12th, even though with in the tie the stats aren't sorted by a secondary column),

Of the 4 guys who are tied for 11th:
1 guy has a 94 yd run, 28 20+ yard runs, 6 40+ yard runs
1 guy has a 93yd TD run, 27 20+ yard runs, 3 40+ yard runs
1 guy has a long of 88, 20 20+ yard runs, 3 40+ yard runs
1 guy has a long of 87, 38 20+ yard runs, 4 40+ yard runs

Which guy would you most want on your team based on these stats alone? play without peaking if you dare

[CRedskinsRule]

^^ remember the average per carry is the same for all 4

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

^^ remember the average per carry is the same for all 4

Id go with #4, and the 10 additional carries of 20+. So who did I pick?

[CRedskinsRule]

That would have been Rock (I am curious, did you look?)

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by diehard

They both are capable backs. Cartwright is a solid return man. It would be unethical to have Mason leapfrog Cartwright if Portis or Betts goes down but, not unheard of. I never understood why Mason never worked out much returning punts and/or kickoffs. Hasn't Cartwright proven he's more than capable of spelling?

Simple answer to this question. Hopefully you will figure it out. Tip Toe Burgular.

That is your answer...

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not understanding this notion that he should just sit back and be happy with what he's got. He was a 7th rounder so he should be happy with simply being on the team.

Shouldn't we expect all of our players to strive to be better, to want the ball more, to want more playing time, to want a bigger role??

Not saying that complaining in the paper is the best route to go, but hey, the guy is upset and he is free to voice his opinion. If I recall he's been upset in the past over not having a bigger role, but in the end he sucks it up and goes out there and plays hard no matter what. I highly doubt this turns into a lingering issue.

Yeah its okay for players to want to strive to be better. But he is almost 30 and he hasn't hit his stride yet?

As far as him getting upset. he should look in the mirror and ask himself why he coulnd't fill in for Portis & Betts when they were injured last season. Exactly.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well you are kinda playing numbers (i used 20+ carries, because that was the question, you used >9, which only adds 2 but drops him from top 10 to 11Tied, then you ignore the tie and just say he is 12th, even though with in the tie the stats aren't sorted by a secondary column),

Of the 4 guys who are tied for 11th:
1 guy has a 94 yd run, 28 20+ yard runs, 6 40+ yard runs
1 guy has a 93yd TD run, 27 20+ yard runs, 3 40+ yard runs
1 guy has a long of 88, 20 20+ yard runs, 3 40+ yard runs
1 guy has a long of 87, 38 20+ yard runs, 4 40+ yard runs

Which guy would you most want on your team based on these stats alone? play without peaking if you dare

can't chose a guy just on numbers alone. there are other things to consider like game situation (can he be counted on to carry the load or is he only good in mop up duty) can he be an every down back, can he pass block, can he catch the ball etc...

[BigHairedAristocrat]

As far as i'm concerned, Rock Cartwright is keeping alot of younger players from seeing the field and receiving the same chance he got when he joined this team. He should be grateful to have a job now because this time next year, he may not.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

This might shed some light on Masons role



Four's a crowd for Redskins' backfield - Washington Times

So in essence they feel he's someone who will be able to take that number 2 spot in the future and for right now he seems to be cover for Betts.

Cartwright has just 12 carries the last three years, and only injuries would allow him to get any work on offense.

Exactly!! This is what I've been trying to say forever only to get verbally jumped and cornered on this forum. We are building for the future with Betts/Rock (29) guys that are older than our starting RB? Seems I was a little more intelligent than those calling me a half-wit. Mason is a more tested RB. Dorsey could return but couldn't run. Alrdige had good speed by wasn't a good runner. Caught the ball well out of the backfield. Mason improved on his blocking. He is a good runner and a dependable pass catcher. He has improved over the years. Neither Rock or Betts are in our future plans. I would be suprised if either one of them is here next year. We will either draft a RB or sign one in free agency and Mason will take Betts place and Rock will be gone. We will have another RB in the fold next year to be CP's heir if Mason doesn't pan out. I think Mason is going to suprise a lot of people. But saying that, this article is common sense. But now that you see the roster cuts and that Mason has made the team. It validates my point. I hope all the people that called me half wit are eating their crow right now.

ps. Rock shut up! Your lucky you are on the team.

Running Back Coach - Stump Mitchell: "Last year, they couldn't practice during the course of the week, and [Shaun] Alexander took all the reps but those two guys played in the game," he said. "It wouldn't be that way this year. If Mason takes all the reps, he would definitely take some carries."

[Longtimefan]

Last season when Rock tested the waters in FA I thought he had an inflated opinion of his actual value, not only to the Redskins but to any other team. Maybe he feels he's gradually being phased out.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

You are now in the running for mindless post of the week. Well done!

I agree. Where has this guy been this whole preseason?..lol