Plaxico Agrees To Two Year Jail Term

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

The making of an example.

Which is why we might not see the end of this. Plaxico can and is argueing that others had this happen and not getting the same sentence, but since the MAYOR and other high up officials came out against him, he was doomed.
I personally do not feel he should spend a minute in jail...the right to bear arms should be enough to supercede any state law. (but I understand that opens a huge can of worms on here)

I think if I were him, I'd take all that money I already accrued and take off to some foriegn island somewhere never to be heard from again. I'm not going to prison for something that dumb. Here Stallworth ACTUALLY KILLS a man (yes he darted out in front of his car, but the arguement could be made, if sober there would be a different outcome) and Stallworth gets 30 days? Plaxico carries a gun (which is a right) and shoots himself, no one else, and he gets 2 years? Nope...wouldn't serve that time.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Which is why we might not see the end of this. Plaxico can and is argueing that others had this happen and not getting the same sentence, but since the MAYOR and other high up officials came out against him, he was doomed.
I personally do not feel he should spend a minute in jail...the right to bear arms should be enough to supercede any state law. (but I understand that opens a huge can of worms on here)

I think if I were him, I'd take all that money I already accrued and take off to some foriegn island somewhere never to be heard from again. I'm not going to prison for something that dumb. Here Stallworth ACTUALLY KILLS a man (yes he darted out in front of his car, but the arguement could be made, if sober there would be a different outcome) and Stallworth gets 30 days? Plaxico carries a gun (which is a right) and shoots himself, no one else, and he gets 2 years? Nope...wouldn't serve that time.

1. We debated the issue of gun control elsewhere and I won't go there again other than to say, just like every other right in the constitution, it is not unlimited. 100% of the time and in every court in the land, the statute under which he was convicted passes constitutional muster. The law was constitutional and he broke it.

2. This was a plea agreement. B/c he agreed to take the deal, he can't get out of it. Essentially, he agreed to give up the fight in return for the State taking it easy on him. It's the end of this matter. Period. Lock it away. Done. Finito. Fini.

3. The Stallworth matter has been debated elsewhere and, while I have some reservations about it, it appears to be one of those very unique situations with facts that show real mitigating factors. Plax had no "mitigating factors" - he's got no excuse and gets no breaks.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

1. We debated the issue of gun control elsewhere and I won't go there again other than to say, just like every other right in the constitution, it is not unlimited. 100% of the time and in every court in the land, the statute under which he was convicted passes constitutional muster. The law was constitutional and he broke it.

2. This was a plea agreement. B/c he agreed to take the deal, he can't get out of it. Essentially, he agreed to give up the fight in return for the State taking it easy on him. It's the end of this matter. Period. Lock it away. Done. Finito. Fini.

3. The Stallworth matter has been debated elsewhere and, while I have some reservations about it, it appears to be one of those very unique situations with facts that show real mitigating factors. Plax had no "mitigating factors" - he's got no excuse and gets no breaks.

you wrote all that in the time it took for me to comment on your point number 2. geez.

[sportscurmudgeon]

This is the first smart decision that Burress has made in the last couple of years...

At age 34, he will get an invitation to someone's camp when he is fiished with his prison time because of his talent. He may or may not make an NFL team at that point, but he will get a "looksee"...

If you are looking to describe him in a single word, try this one:

MEATHEAD

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

3. The Stallworth matter has been debated elsewhere and, while I have some reservations about it, it appears to be one of those very unique situations with facts that show real mitigating factors. Plax had no "mitigating factors" - he's got no excuse and gets no breaks.

I got yelled at on the Giant site ..so why not here.Stallworth and by no means am I making exscuses for him ....was dumb, stupid and just down right ignorant but he didn't have any malice or intent and there is a vidio of the person running out infront of him,now becuase of that, had they gone to court there might have been a chance that the jury would have gone against the victum ...you see in Florida if he contributed in anyway in his own death then the family would have gotten nothing,crazy yes but the law.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I got yelled at on the Giant site ..so why not here.Stallworth and by no means am I making exscuses for him ....was dumb, stupid and just down right ignorant but he didn't have any malice or intent and there is a vidio of the person running out infront of him,now becuase of that, had they gone to court there might have been a chance that the jury would have gone against the victum ...you see in Florida if he contributed in anyway in his own death then the family would have gotten nothing,crazy yes but the law.

I started to write a long winded statement to this very point and changed my mind only cause I lost track and wondered it others were upset at the NFL's punishment. I totally have to agree with you here. I know of a case in VA where a man who was drunk ran out in traffic at night to cross the street and not 1 but 2 SUV's ran over him. Amazingly he was flown out and survived and was let out of the hospital 11 days later with a cracked rib which lacerated his liver and that's why they kept him. No charges were filed against either driver.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I got yelled at on the Giant site ..so why not here.Stallworth and by no means am I making exscuses for him ....was dumb, stupid and just down right ignorant but he didn't have any malice or intent and there is a vidio of the person running out infront of him,now becuase of that, had they gone to court there might have been a chance that the jury would have gone against the victum ...you see in Florida if he contributed in anyway in his own death then the family would have gotten nothing,crazy yes but the law.

You won't get yelled at here b/c, unlike the Giants board, most here are intelligent. We understand the concept of "contributory negligence". In Maryland, just as in Florida, a party cannot prevail in any civil suit if their own negligence contributed in any way to the accident. It's not wacky, it's an age-old concept in law.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I got yelled at on the Giant site ..so why not here.Stallworth and by no means am I making exscuses for him ....was dumb, stupid and just down right ignorant but he didn't have any malice or intent and there is a vidio of the person running out infront of him,now becuase of that, had they gone to court there might have been a chance that the jury would have gone against the victum ...you see in Florida if he contributed in anyway in his own death then the family would have gotten nothing,crazy yes but the law.

Why am I surprised....I'm not really. It is a ggirls site!

Break the law, carry a gun to a club, all for what? And your dumbass doesn't even know how to properly secure a weapon. Could have easily killed an innocent patron.

He's getting just what he deserves!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Which is why we might not see the end of this. Plaxico can and is argueing that others had this happen and not getting the same sentence, but since the MAYOR and other high up officials came out against him, he was doomed.
I personally do not feel he should spend a minute in jail...the right to bear arms should be enough to supercede any state law. (but I understand that opens a huge can of worms on here)

I think if I were him, I'd take all that money I already accrued and take off to some foriegn island somewhere never to be heard from again. I'm not going to prison for something that dumb. Here Stallworth ACTUALLY KILLS a man (yes he darted out in front of his car, but the arguement could be made, if sober there would be a different outcome) and Stallworth gets 30 days? Plaxico carries a gun (which is a right) and shoots himself, no one else, and he gets 2 years? Nope...wouldn't serve that time.

If he wanted to argue unfair sentencing, he would have had to go to trial, been found guilty, been sentenced by a judge, and then appeal. By taking a plea he severely limits his avenues of appeals, especially if the judge stays within the constraints of the deal. If the judge imposes a harsher sentence then Burriss might have options.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If he wanted to argue unfair sentencing, he would have had to go to trial, been found guilty, been sentenced by a judge, and then appeal. By taking a plea he severely limits his avenues of appeals, especially if the judge stays within the constraints of the deal. If the judge imposes a harsher sentence then Burriss might have options.

You and Joeredskin are absolutely right...I just can't stand to hear that Burress is getting hard time for breaking a law that didn't hurt ANYONE (other than himself).
Sorry, but I do believe that professional athletes are "targets" and they deserve the right to protect themselves. Of course Burress is an idiot shooting himself. This is NOT a 2 year offense people. This should have been a probation and community service sentence issue.
It's just not right to look at Stallworth killing someone and getting 20 days...and Vick torturing living beings and being barbaric and getting a similar sentence to a guy that didn't hurt anyone, nor did he have intent to hurt anyone. He just carried a gun and accidentally shot himself. We have some serious issues in this country in terms of actual issues. Just cause NY has no handle on crime in their state doesn't mean they should make an example of a completely innocent man.

[Lotus]

I think that Burress's penalty is overly stiff. But I also see two mitigating factors:
1) it was NYC, where they have a serious gun crimes problem. In a way I can understand why the penalties are so tough.
2) since the gun went off accidentally, what if it had been pointed accidentally in a different direction and an innocent person had been hit? What if a ricochet had hit an innocent person? Plax can hardly say that he could have prevented such events.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I think that Burress's penalty is overly stiff. But I also see two mitigating factors:
1) it was NYC, where they have a serious gun crimes problem. In a way I can understand why the penalties are so tough.
2) since the gun went off accidentally, what if it had been pointed accidentally in a different direction and an innocent person had been hit? What if a ricochet had hit an innocent person? Plax can hardly say that he could have prevented such events.

We do not punish harshly for "what if" crimes, we punish harshly for actual crimes. Just like a first DUI offender gets more of a slap on the wrist...but IF he killed someone (and his name was not stallworth) he'd go to jail for a LOOOONG time. There are all sorts of "what if" scenarios. We ALL speed, so "what if" we sped and lost control and hit someone? We would be punish MUCH more severely than if we got a speeding ticket.

Punish the crime, not the potential crime.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by jsarno

IF he killed someone (and his name was not stallworth) he'd go to jail for a LOOOONG time.

Punish the crime, not the potential crime.

You keep forgeting one very important fact,the victim..."contributory negligence"(there is a vidio). There was no malice by Sallworth(stupidity,yes)....he can do more good for the Family of the victim out of jail then in it.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You keep forgeting one very important fact,the victim..."contributory negligence"(there is a vidio). There was no malice by Sallworth(stupidity,yes)....he can do more good for the Family of the victim out of jail then in it.

I'm confused...how was there malice with Plaxico? You are implying he deserves this punishment due to his malicious intent, but he didn't have malicious intent.
Plaxico could have done many public service announcements too, and been a poster for everyone. Putting him in jail really doesn't dissuade athletes from doing this. They will continue to carry guns. They will just have to be more careful of the dumb laws in NY.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by jsarno

We do not punish harshly for "what if" crimes, we punish harshly for actual crimes. Just like a first DUI offender gets more of a slap on the wrist...but IF he killed someone (and his name was not stallworth) he'd go to jail for a LOOOONG time. There are all sorts of "what if" scenarios. We ALL speed, so "what if" we sped and lost control and hit someone? We would be punish MUCH more severely than if we got a speeding ticket.

Punish the crime, not the potential crime.

gun laws are a serious issue. even with a permit you cannot carry a loaded weapon in certain places, if you do and if you get caught, the penalty is severe. even worse if you discharge your weapon.