Rank the NFC East teams position by position....

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You think the Skins have the worst D-line in the division (umm, Haynesworth?) and the Giants in Kevin Boss have a better TE situation than we do?? That's the funniest thing I've seen all day. Cooley is 3x the TE Kevin Boss is 8 days a week.

No doubt. Cooley also had 50 more receptions for almost 500 more yards on a struggling offense. Nobody, NOBODY in their right mind would take Boss over Cooley.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by pick-ups

Like I said before about Eli and that final drive....he threw two passes that should've been INTs and was fortunate they weren't.

The Giants offense had amassed 3 points total going into the 4th quarter and if it wasn't for the extraordinary performance by the Giants defense(holding the Pats to 14pts/lowest all year)then what Eli does,doesn't really matter.

McNabb also threw for 357yds and 3 TDs along with those 3 INTs(the last one being a final heave with no time left).

The Eagles offense this season can be one of the best in the league,let alone the division.
They are stacked.

Yea but you have to take away style points for McNabb puking on you center.

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[pick-ups]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Yea but you have to take away style points for McNabb puking on you center.

You know the crazy thing is that every time McNabb has puked during a drive.....the end result is always a TD(maybe he should puke on every drive)

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by pick-ups

You know the crazy thing is that every time McNabb has puked during a drive.....the end result is always a TD(maybe he should puke on every drive)

If I'm correct when he pucked in the SB they did not score and the game was over.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Talent wise you're probably right. But don't under estimate what Eli did. He stepped his game up when it mattered most. Plus he drove his team down the field for a SB win. I was very impressed with his performace in 07. McNabb threw 3 INTS in his SB. I think McNabb is better though.

Yup , and we must remember we're talking about the Super Bowl ...if ya need a game to step up in....that's the one to do it!Eli's whole playoff run in 07 was great ,again I'll take that over the QB rating system any day.

[pick-ups]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If I'm correct when he pucked in the SB they did not score and the game was over.

Actually he was puking in the huddle according to the center(Hank Fraley)so Freddie Mitchell called one of the plays and two plays later he hit Greg Lewis in the endzone for a TD.

Also did it vs the Bucs and VT(in college).

Originally Posted by Giantone

Yup , and we must remember we're talking about the Super Bowl ...if ya need a game to step up in....that's the one to do it!Eli's whole playoff run in 07 was great ,again I'll take that over the QB rating system any day.

Ill admit he stepped up and managed the game well. He hit throws when he needed to and let his WRs and TEs make plays. Until the SB he didnt have any typical Eli passes that did or should have been INTed.

To say that Elis 2007 playoff run was great isnt accurate if you actually break down what he did in those games. Ill admit he played good in the Bucs wild card game. The Cowboy game he completed 12 passes and one of those 2 TDs was luck when Toomer got a easy TD down the sideline. Ill admit he played solid in the Packer game for the NFC Title. He really did nothing to win or lose that game. In the Super Bowl he did nothing that impressed me. If anything he did his hardest to lose that game for the Giants.

Eli played solid in the playoffs but to say he was great or he was the reason they won the Super Bowl is reaching imo. He threw 20 INTs that year in the regular season. The only thing Eli did was not take chances and play system ball.

If you want to go by 4 games in one year where he played solid but didnt carry his team on his back to win the SB and say because of those 4 games hes better than Tony Romo thats your opinion. I realize though most of the QBs in the NFL could of did what Eli did in those games. Alot of them would of played better.

As for the QB Rating being useless. I agree it is overrated. The stats I look at when measuring up QBs is Win %, TD-INT Ratio, and Passing Yards.

Lets look at Eli and Romo over the last 3 seasons....

Tony Romo
2006 11 Games 3,092 Yards 20-13 TD-INT 6-5 W-L .545%
2007 17 Games 4,412 Yards 36-20 TD-INT 13-4 W-L .764%
2008 13 Games 3,448 Yards 26-14 TD-INT 8-5 W-L .615%
Total 41 Games 10,952 Yards 82-47 TD-INT 27-14 W-L .658%

Eli Manning
2006 17 Games 3,405 Yards 26-19 TD-INT 8-9 W-L .470%
2007 20 Games 4,190 Yards 29-21 TD-INT 14-6 W-L .700%
2008 17 Games 3,407 Yards 21-11 TD-INT 12-5 W-L .705%
Total 54 Games 11,002 Yards 76-51 TD-INT 34-20 W-L .629%

So in 13 less games over the last 3 years Eli only has 50 more passing yards and 6 less TDs. When it comes to winning % even with the 4-0 2007 playoff run Tony Romo still has a higher winning % by .029.

So if you want to take a player based on 4 games in the 2007 playoffs go ahead. Ill take the guy who in 13 less games has better numbers and a higher winning %.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by pick-ups

Like I said before about Eli and that final drive....he threw two passes that should've been INTs and was fortunate they weren't.

The Giants offense had amassed 3 points total going into the 4th quarter and if it wasn't for the extraordinary performance by the Giants defense(holding the Pats to 14pts/lowest all year)then what Eli does,doesn't really matter.

McNabb also threw for 357yds and 3 TDs along with those 3 INTs(the last one being a final heave with no time left).

The Eagles offense this season can be one of the best in the league,let alone the division.
They are stacked.

Like I said, I think McNabb is better but don't act like Eli is chopped liver. He's a streaky passer, just like McNabb is. And lets also not forget how well Eli played the whole 07 playoff run.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Yup , and we must remember we're talking about the Super Bowl ...if ya need a game to step up in....that's the one to do it!Eli's whole playoff run in 07 was great ,again I'll take that over the QB rating system any day.

agreed. i just think eli is what he is. he's streaky.....he can suck ass for 3 quarters and then get hot when the time is right and win the game.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Ill admit he stepped up and managed the game well. He hit throws when he needed to and let his WRs and TEs make plays. Until the SB he didnt have any typical Eli passes that did or should have been INTed.

To say that Elis 2007 playoff run was great isnt accurate if you actually break down what he did in those games. Ill admit he played good in the Bucs wild card game. The Cowboy game he completed 12 passes and one of those 2 TDs was luck when Toomer got a easy TD down the sideline. Ill admit he played solid in the Packer game for the NFC Title. He really did nothing to win or lose that game. In the Super Bowl he did nothing that impressed me. If anything he did his hardest to lose that game for the Giants.

Eli played solid in the playoffs but to say he was great or he was the reason they won the Super Bowl is reaching imo. He threw 20 INTs that year in the regular season. The only thing Eli did was not take chances and play system ball.

If you want to go by 4 games in one year where he played solid but didnt carry his team on his back to win the SB and say because of those 4 games hes better than Tony Romo thats your opinion. I realize though most of the QBs in the NFL could of did what Eli did in those games. Alot of them would of played better.

As for the QB Rating being useless. I agree it is overrated. The stats I look at when measuring up QBs is Win %, TD-INT Ratio, and Passing Yards.

Lets look at Eli and Romo over the last 3 seasons....

Tony Romo
2006 11 Games 3,092 Yards 20-13 TD-INT 6-5 W-L .545%
2007 17 Games 4,412 Yards 36-20 TD-INT 13-4 W-L .764%
2008 13 Games 3,448 Yards 26-14 TD-INT 8-5 W-L .615%
Total 41 Games 10,952 Yards 82-47 TD-INT 27-14 W-L .658%

Eli Manning
2006 17 Games 3,405 Yards 26-19 TD-INT 8-9 W-L .470%
2007 20 Games 4,190 Yards 29-21 TD-INT 14-6 W-L .700%
2008 17 Games 3,407 Yards 21-11 TD-INT 12-5 W-L .705%
Total 54 Games 11,002 Yards 76-51 TD-INT 34-20 W-L .629%

So in 13 less games over the last 3 years Eli only has 50 more passing yards and 6 less TDs. When it comes to winning % even with the 4-0 2007 playoff run Tony Romo still has a higher winning % by .029.

So if you want to take a player based on 4 games in the 2007 playoffs go ahead. Ill take the guy who in 13 less games has better numbers and a higher winning %.

Who cares about all that winning % stuff. Eli is a Suber Bowl winning QB and that's the bottom line. Yes their defense had a lot to do with it but so what? He played great when his team needed him to and that's all that matters. Terry Bradshaw was never really a consistent passer. He was just great when he had to be. I'll take that guy over a guy who plays well during the season and chokes when it matters most.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Who cares about all that winning % stuff. Eli is a Suber Bowl winning QB and that's the bottom line. Yes their defense had a lot to do with it but so what? He played great when his team needed him to and that's all that matters. Terry Bradshaw was never really a consistent passer. He was just great when he had to be. I'll take that guy over a guy who plays well during the season and chokes when it matters most.

Who cares about all that winning % stuff? Hmm let me think. Oh snap. Winners do.

All im saying is for someone to tell me Eli is better than Romo is funny. He isnt better than Romo in anything. Yes Eli is a Super Bowl winning QB but hey so is Trent Dilfer.

Comparing Terry Bradshaw to Eli Manning is kinda stupid. For starters comparing a QB who played in the 1970s to a QB who plays in this era is laughable. Second, I realize Bradshaw might be overrated to a extent but hes a HOFer. Eli wont sniff the HOF unless hes brown nosing his brothers greatness.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Ok, I'll go over it one more time ,my opinions on these picks is based on last year since this year hasn't been played yet.As for Haynsworth ...who knows if he'll be any good in the NFC East or not ...he'll be going against much better O lines.As for Cooley ...I already said he's a great TE but Boss did play better last year less fumbles and better blocking.

How did Boss play better? Cooley's blocking was actually better last year than it's been his entire career. I don't get what you think you know on that one.

And you bring up fumbles... Well, Cooley had 50 more catches than Boss last year. So in 83 catches Cooley had 3 fumbles. That means 97% of the time he touched the ball in '08 he didn't fumble. What a horrible thing.

Boss isn't even close to the offensive weapon Chris Cooley is, and his numbers reflect as much. To use a stat in Boss' favor that directly involves touching the football is just silly. Cooley is his daddy. Wake up.

And as far as D-line goes, why do we have to exclude Haynesworth when talking about the Skins? He's a proven stud and he's on our team now. I'm sure Canty crossed your mind when thinking about the Giants D-line. This thread isn't asking us to rank last year's production. You can find those stats on NFL.com.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Like I said, I think McNabb is better but don't act like Eli is chopped liver. He's a streaky passer, just like McNabb is.

When someone calls a QB a streaky passer I have always found that to be a bad thing. Saying McNabb is a streaky passer is kinda perplexing when he has a 82-45-1 career record and has a 194-90 TD-INT ratio in the regular season. McNabb has also led his team to 5 conference championship games and one Super Bowl appearance.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

How did Boss play better? Cooley's blocking was actually better last year than it's been his entire career. I don't get what you think you know on that one.

And you bring up fumbles... Well, Cooley had 50 more catches than Boss last year. So in 83 catches Cooley had 3 fumbles. That means 97% of the time he touched the ball in '08 he didn't fumble. What a horrible thing.

Boss isn't even close to the offensive weapon Chris Cooley is, and his numbers reflect as much. To use a stat in Boss' favor that directly involves touching the football is just silly. Cooley is his daddy. Wake up.

And as far as D-line goes, why do we have to exclude Haynesworth when talking about the Skins? He's a proven stud and he's on our team now. I'm sure Canty crossed your mind when thinking about the Giants D-line. This thread isn't asking us to rank last year's production. You can find those stats on NFL.com.

There is NO comparison. Cooley wins hands down. This may be the funniest thing Giantone has come up with yet.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Id like Randle El to produce where ever he ends up on the field. But, I think El lacks the ability to go up, get the ball and come down with it. He's not physical enough to play as a number two but with all the back stepping and jukeing he likes to do on punts returns he'd be perfect to run those shorter routes as a number 3 slot receiver.

I agree I think ARE is better to play in the slot. I hope we will use ARE in a wild kat formation in the redzone or maybe short yardage. His ablity to pass the ball can open our offense up and give teams defenses more to prepare for.