Rank the NFC East teams position by position....

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

GTripp, I am surprised you have Romo as the best qb in the division. I think he is highly overrated, and while his numbers impress, the loss of TO will really highlight his flaws. I would not be shocked for his INTS to skyrocket and his TD's plummet this year.

They could. Or if the Cowboys run the ball with Barber/Jones and set up the pass Romo may actually have a Pro Bowl season without TO. Hes still got enough weapons around him and with a new found get back to the running game attack I actually see his INTs going down while his TDs remain close to the same.

[pick-ups]

QB-Eagles/Giants/Cowboys/Redskins(Manning maybe the least talented,but has gotten it done for one post-season)
RB-Cowboys/Eagles/Redskins/Giants(Cowboys are the deepest and the Giants are last because I think that the real strength is the O-Line)
WR-Eagles/Redskins/Cowboys/Giants
TE-Cowboys/Redskins/Giants/Eagles
OL-Giants/Eagles/Cowboys/Redskins
DL-Giants/Redskins/Eagles/Cowboys
LB-Cowboys/Eagles/Giants/Redskins
CB-Eagles/Redskins/Cowboys/Giants
S-Redskins/Eagles/Giants/Cowboys
ST-Eagles/Cowboys/Giants/Redskins

These are ranking positions and do not for the most part equate into who is the best team and these will of course change as the season takes shape.
Each team has their share of question marks,but the division as a whole is the best in the league(from top to bottom).

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Oh boy....did you just rank the Skins WR the top in the NFC east?
you are obviously not a redskins fan...nor have you watched them enough to realize our issues

Who in the division has fewer questions at the WR position than we do?

Here are the top 3 returning WR for each team in the division from last year:
NYG-Smith (57 catches), Hixon (43 catches), Moss (12 catches) total 5 TD
Philly-Jackson (62 catches), Curtis (33 catches), Baskett (33 catches) total 7 TD
Dallas-Crayton (39 catches), R. Williams (19 catches), Austin (13 catches) total 8 TD
Wash-Moss (79 catches), Randle-El (53 catches), Thomas (15 catches) total 10 TD

NYG and Dallas are replacing their #1 WR (NYG is replacing #1 and #2) and the NYG and Eagles are counting on rookie WR to come in immediately and contribute. To me it's not really even close.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Who in the division has fewer questions at the WR position than we do?

Fewer questions? Everyone. Our weakness at WR is not that we don't have skilled players at the position, it's that we have no idea where we can expect the production to come from this year.

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Who in the division has fewer questions at the WR position than we do?

Here are the top 3 returning WR for each team in the division from last year:
NYG-Smith (57 catches), Hixon (43 catches), Moss (12 catches) total 5 TD
Philly-Jackson (62 catches), Curtis (33 catches), Baskett (33 catches) total 7 TD
Dallas-Crayton (39 catches), R. Williams (19 catches), Austin (13 catches) total 8 TD
Wash-Moss (79 catches), Randle-El (53 catches), Thomas (15 catches) total 10 TD

NYG and Dallas are replacing their #1 WR (NYG is replacing #1 and #2) and the NYG and Eagles are counting on rookie WR to come in immediately and contribute. To me it's not really even close.

I understand your reasoning and it could be spot on. The only question I have is do you think Maclin can play the slot? With DeSean Jackson playing well last year and Curtis now healthy putting Maclin in the slot makes each player more explosive on offense. I dont think it will be too hard for Maclin to come in and play the slot WR role and make a impact.

Originally Posted by pick-ups

QB-Eagles/Giants/Cowboys/Redskins
RB-Cowboys/Eagles/Redskins/Giants
WR-Eagles/Redskins/Cowboys/Giants
TE-Cowboys/Redskins/Giants/Eagles
OL-Giants/Eagles/Cowboys/Redskins
DL-Giants/Redskins/Eagles/Cowboys
LB-Cowboys/Eagles/Giants/Redskins
CB-Eagles/Redskins/Cowboys/Giants
S-Redskins/Eagles/Giants/Cowboys
ST-Eagles/Cowboys/Giants/Redskins

Pretty solid rankings for a Eagle fan.

Gtripp and Paintrain's rankings were also well thought out and very nice imo.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

I honestly think Romo is far and away a better QB than Eli Manning. If you put Romo on that Giants team that year they win the SB and actually score more points. Last year I think Romo also played better than Eli.

according to you Romo played with a better team anyway last year and couldn't win a thing yet I suppose to believe he could turn the Giants around................................ahhh no!Time and time again Romo has been in presure situations and choke ....his QB ranking means squat.Can he win a big game,can he put a team on his back,McNabb has done it,Eli has done it and I believe Campbell can do it,Romo .....nope.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Fewer questions? Everyone. Our weakness at WR is not that we don't have skilled players at the position, it's that we have no idea where we can expect the production to come from this year.

I disagree , your wideouts were fine last year till your O line ...well got desimated and couldn't protect the QB.That affected eveything,the run game then the passing game.

[pick-ups]

Originally Posted by Giantone

according to you Romo played with a better team anyway last year and couldn't win a thing yet I suppose to believe he could turn the Giants around................................ahhh no!Time and time again Romo has been in presure situations and choke ....his QB ranking means squat.Can he win a big game,can he put a team on his back,McNabb has done it,Eli has done it and I believe Campbell can do it,Romo .....nope.

Romo has been surrounded by tons of talent and has come up short in both attempts.

A botched FG attempt(his fault)against the Seahawks.
An INT in the endzone to seal the win for the Giants.

Both games were ultimately lost with his hands on the ball.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Fewer questions? Everyone. Our weakness at WR is not that we don't have skilled players at the position, it's that we have no idea where we can expect the production to come from this year.

And how is that different than each team in the division? The difference to me is we are returning better players than anyone else and/or aren't counting on rookies/new players to significantly contribute.

The Giants have to replace Plaxico as a consistent WR and their main red zone weapon. They have to replace Toomer who was productive in moving the chains. They are counting on 2 rookies to do that. Smith is a solid #2 but he's no #1. Hixon has potential but he disappears often. Moss may not even make the team.

Philly has the same problem we had going into last year. All of their WR are of similar size and skill set. Jackson, Curtis and Baskett are all burners, not chain movers. That's where they used Westbrook and Celek. Now Maclin, who is going to have to learn an NFL passing tree, is supposed to come in and be a top contributor? I don't really see it.

Dallas has the MOST questions because they lost the best WR in the division from last year. Hate him or not, 67 catches, 1,000+ yards and 10 TD doesn't go un-missed. That's pretty significant to try to replace. R. Williams had one good year, one, and that was with Mike Martz calling the plays. Crayton and Austin don't scare anyone, at all. They made no additions to their WR corp and are expecting Williams to jump by 50+ receptions to be a #1? Shaky at best.

I think it's clear. Moss will produce like always, Randle El will produce similar to last year and if Thomas doubles his production (not a stretch based on all offseason reports) then we should have the class of the division at WR this year.

Originally Posted by Giantone

according to you Romo played with a better team anyway last year and couldn't win a thing yet I suppose to believe he could turn the Giants around................................ahhh no!Time and time again Romo has been in presure situations and choke ....his QB ranking means squat.Can he win a big game,can he put a team on his back,McNabb has done it,Eli has done it and I believe Campbell can do it,Romo .....nope.

When did I say the Cowboys had a better team than the Giants last year? For some reason you think my rankings look only at last year. My rankings throw in a number of factors. I ranked them mainly on how the teams rosters look as of right now in May of 2009 not from last year.

When has Eli won a big game? I will give Eli credit for managing the game and making some nice throws at times but he never carried a team on his back in a big game. Every time he had to he has lost or in SB42 he just got really lucky. Nothing I saw Eli do in the SB that year was something any other QB couldnt do.

If you want to base your QB outlook off of which team has won a big game then go ahead. I like to look at the QBs by what they have done on the field and not something that is a team accomplishment.

Romo for his career has a 94.7 QB rating. Manning for his career has a 76.1 QB rating. Romo last year had a 91.4 QB rating. Manning had a 86.4 QB rating last year. If you want to say Eli is a better QB because he rode the coattails of his team to a SB be my guest.

[Skins4L]

I feel like our WR core is the most underrated in the league.

the fact that we couldnt score last year... doesnt do us any justice in what we have as far as weapons again coming into this season.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

QB-Philly, NYG, Washington, Dallas; Romo takes a big step backwards without T.O. and Campbell takes a big step forward. McNabb is far and away the best in the division.

RB-Dallas, Washington, NYG, Philly; Barber, Jones and Choice could all start for some teams. Portis puts up his normal 1,300-11 TD season.

WR-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG; Surprisingly I feel like we have the fewest questions at WR. Philly and NY are putting a lot of faith in rookies and in Dallas, Roy Williams hasn't proven anything to show he's going to be a reliable #1.

TE-Dallas, Washington, Philly, NYG; Witten is one of the best in the game, Cooley not far behind him. The drop off is precipitous after those two.

OL-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas; Why Washington over Dallas? They are actually OLDER and more injury prone than our OL. I like Dockery coming back and think Heyer will solve our RT questions.

DL-NYG, Dallas, Washington, Philly; With Osi coming back the Giants are going to be really scary up front. Haynesworth helps but you can count on him and Griff missing 2-4 games each year so you've got to discount them somewhat.

LB-Dallas, NYG, Washington, Philly; Ware is the best pass rusher in the league, NYG have 3 solid starters and decent depth.

CB-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG; Hall and Rogers are slightly better than Samuels and Hobbs. Dallas is counting on development in the 2nd year from some players and NYG is solid but not great.

S-Washington, NYG, Dallas, Philly; Landry/Horton/Moore puts them above the rest of the division. Probably our strongest unit.

ST-Philly, Dallas, NYG Washington; DeSean Jackson is the difference maker here. Dallas has the best kicker/punter combo, we've still got question marks at K and in the return game.

Coaches-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas; Pretty simple Coughlin won a SB, Reid has been to a Super Bowl, I like Zorn in his 2nd year more than Phillips who is the most obvious lame duck in the NFL.

Overall-NYG, Washington, Philly, Dallas; The Giants are still the class of the division until proven otherwise. I expect improvement in year 2 of Zorn's offense and the additions to our defense should make us more dangerous in terms of sacks and turnovers. Philly was dead in the water last November before making a nice run but over the last 4 years they are only one game better than us in the W-L column. Dallas lost their best player on offense, didn't do much in FA or the draft and have the look of an overrated 6-10 bust.

I couldn't add much to this. I think how much of a contribution Haynesworth, Orakpo, and Fred Davis make could change the rankings and if Betts was actually used, maybe he could too, but I'm agreeable with this. Campbell could also make a move up with a great year. I would also put Zorn ahead of Phillips as Paintrain has. Wade has proved he's not much of a HC, Zorn hasn't.

[horse]

**** philly if it was'nt for chicago, dallas, tampa, and us falling apart for no real reason they should'nt have even made the playoffs.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

When did I say the Cowboys had a better team than the Giants last year? For some reason you think my rankings look only at last year. My rankings throw in a number of factors. I ranked them mainly on how the teams rosters look as of right now in May of 2009 not from last year.

When has Eli won a big game? I will give Eli credit for managing the game and making some nice throws at times but he never carried a team on his back in a big game. Every time he had to he has lost or in SB42 he just got really lucky. Nothing I saw Eli do in the SB that year was something any other QB couldnt do.

If you want to base your QB outlook off of which team has won a big game then go ahead. I like to look at the QBs by what they have done on the field and not something that is a team accomplishment.

Romo for his career has a 94.7 QB rating. Manning for his career has a 76.1 QB rating. Romo last year had a 91.4 QB rating. Manning had a 86.4 QB rating last year. If you want to say Eli is a better QB because he rode the coattails of his team to a SB be my guest.

Go back to your rankings,you rank the Cowboys over the Giants in everything Offensivly.QB ratings don't mean anything .....can he win a big game ,Eli has ,Romo hasn't............,so the Super Bowl wasn't a big game .Like it or not he got the MVP...he must have done something in that game!Hey I bet Tom Brady has better QB rating then Eli but on that day Eli won ,that day he was the better QB.