Will Jason Campbell return?

[DBUCHANON101]

Why are the ppl who like Colt Brennan considered to be haters? I think it has more to do with them getting tired of waiting on JC to show some kind of promise for the money he is making.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

As a fantasy player, I actually was going to say that he's got a pretty solid rankings list...except that Campbell was ranked too low.

For fantasy reasons, Jason's sort of a bust. I'll throw out these statistics one more time. Out of 36 games, 9 he's thrown more int's than td's. And he's only thrown more than 2 td's in a game once, two years ago against the Eagles. (you'll remember that was the year where the Eagles caught flak for releasing/not signing both of their starting cornerbacks)

So unless you're in a 2 Qb starting league, and you're at the bottom of the league, Jason should only start on bye weeks. I don't have a problem with low fantasy value. I think it's accurate. In fact, i wouldn't be surprised if he goes undrafted in many smaller fantasy leagues not based out of Washington.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

For fantasy reasons, Jason's sort of a bust. I'll throw out these statistics one more time. Out of 36 games, 9 he's thrown more int's than td's. And he's only thrown more than 2 td's in a game once, two years ago against the Eagles. (you'll remember that was the year where the Eagles caught flak for releasing/not signing both of their starting cornerbacks)

No it wasn't, I think you are referring to 2002 when the team had Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor on the roster but drafted Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown in the 1st and 2nd rounds (I think, I mean really I have no idea where you came up with that one). The starting corners in 2007 were Sheppard and Brown. The starting wide receivers in the 2007 Eagles game you keep referencing were Randle El and James Thrash. Thrash caught two TDs and Keenan McCardell caught the other. So if you want to a make a personel argument, well perhaps you see my point.

But can this thread just die already?

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

No it wasn't, I think you are referring to 2002 when the team had Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor on the roster but drafted Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown in the 1st and 2nd rounds (I think, I mean really I have no idea where you came up with that one). The starting corners in 2007 were Sheppard and Brown. The starting wide receivers in the 2007 Eagles game you keep referencing were Randle El and James Thrash. Thrash caught two TDs and Keenan McCardell caught the other. So if you want to a make a personel argument, well perhaps you see my point.

But can this thread just die already?

Thank you sir. Besides my credibility on the Eagles roster front, it doesnt take away from the fact that fantasy-wise, he's not exactly a heavy hitter. And i'm sure most of us can attest, that any owner that has drafted Jason over the last 3 years, is a rather huge homer.

Yeah, i can let this one die. Just bored.

[DBUCHANON101]

Bottomline, JC has not done anything to justify being a 1st round pick. He is in the last yr of his contract and was the topic of trade rumors during the off season. Wake up JC and JC faithful,Its time to put up or shut up. I really feel if JC falters early Zorn will have a tough decision to make.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Bottomline, JC has not done anything to justify being a 1st round pick. He is in the last yr of his contract and was the topic of trade rumors during the off season. Wake up JC and JC faithful,Its time to put up or shut up. I really feel if JC falters early Zorn will have a tough decision to make.

I think Zorn was brought in because we needed a QB oriented coach to bring Jason's level of play up to our expectations. So Zorn's eggs are in Jason's basket so to speak. Zorn's 3rd year will totally depend on Jason's play. That being said, i don't think Jason will be pulled early in the season. He'll bust out another mediocre year, and both will be sent packing.

Or they are successful, and we fire Vinny and pick up Holmgren as VP of Football operations.(wishfull thinking)

[DBUCHANON101]

I think it depends on how Zorns handles the situation. If JC stumbles and Zorn sticks with him no matter how bad he does then yes, he has tied his fate to that of JC's. If JC falters and Zorn goes in a different direction then i think he would have a better chance at keepin his job. If JC does well all is fine, If ot then Zorn has to cut the cord so to speak.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Bottomline, JC has not done anything to justify being a 1st round pick. He is in the last yr of his contract and was the topic of trade rumors during the off season. Wake up JC and JC faithful,Its time to put up or shut up. I really feel if JC falters early Zorn will have a tough decision to make.

I don't think any reasonable "JC faithful" is saying that he is the team's franchise QB and should be kept regardless. We're just telling "JC haters" to let the guy play this year and see what happens. If he does well and lead the team to the playoffs, then he stays (if he and team want). If he doesn't, well you get your wish and he is off the team or he is demoted to being a back up. We argue that this is the first year that JC and the team get to have the same offense and that continuity, and so he should be given a shot this year. What we dislike, is the JC haters is constantly reminding us that they hate him and that he should be gone right now. So as I stated in an earlier post, both JC faithful and haters alike should let the guy play.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Why are the ppl who like Colt Brennan considered to be haters? I think it has more to do with them getting tired of waiting on JC to show some kind of promise for the money he is making.

Because the best possible situation for Zorn and the Redskins involves Colt never having to see the field for injury or ineffectiveness or any other reason. Thus, the 'hating' part, would describe people's attitude to the entire situation. I hope 'X' plan fails so that we can give 'Y' plan a shot. That would be hating on personal preference.

Which isn't wrong, at least by logical structure. It's just hating.

It's essentally the opposite of wanting to "just win" by any means necessary. It's wanting to go a different direction first, and hope that you can still win second. Or basically what Snyder wants to do. He's the ultimate hater.

[DBUCHANON101]

I wouldnt call Dan a hater because he wants a return on his investment. he paid this guy 1st round money and he hasnt seen anything to justify the money he paid him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I wouldnt call Dan a hater because he wants a return on his investment. he paid this guy 1st round money and he hasnt seen anything to justify the money he paid him.

Well, that was a bit tongue in cheek. You'll get no argument from me saying that the guy wants to win and is willing to throw as much money as need be to make it happen. It's a little disturbing that, 10 years and 4 Gibbs years into his ownership of the team, he still really doesn't have a good idea how to make it happen. But he'll keep trying, that's for sure.

Interestingly enough, if he let Vinny have the final word on all personnel matters, I think our long term prospectus would improve drastically. The fact that we can't really hold Vinny accountable for anything because the final word sometimes comes from Snyder and it sometimes comes from Cerrato and sometimes comes from Zorn, well, that's a weird power structure. And so our decision making is never consistently good, even if as other people mention, the good does seem to outweigh the bad.

[DBUCHANON101]

Ill say that Dan does try and he has gotten better over the years as an owner. He wants to win, and will come out of his own pocket to bring in the best players/coaches that he belives will get this team to a SB. I just hope Zorn can stick around awhile and get his players that fit what he wants to do as a team around him. I do think we should get a more aggressive DC. I have a respect for Blache but the bend but dont break D doesnt win many championships.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Ill say that Dan does try and he has gotten better over the years as an owner. He wants to win, and will come out of his own pocket to bring in the best players/coaches that he belives will get this team to a SB. I just hope Zorn can stick around awhile and get his players that fit what he wants to do as a team around him. I do think we should get a more aggressive DC. I have a respect for Blache but the bend but dont break D doesnt win many championships.

Zorn's job security will most likely depend on Jason Campbell's success. If Campbell does well, Zorn's job will be secure. If he doesn't, Zorn may be kept, but there will be a ton of speculation by the media (Mike Florio alone will have an orgy of articles regarding Snyder getting Holmgren, Cowher, Chucky, or Shanahan).

[DBUCHANON101]

Yeah i saw on espn.com that one of the writers said Bill Cowher would look good in the Burgandy and Gold next yr. the media says these thigs to stir the pot a yr early and if DS went out and signed Bill on as a HC they would be saying DS is the worst owner in the NFL. the man just cant get a break.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Why are the ppl who like Colt Brennan considered to be haters? I think it has more to do with them getting tired of waiting on JC to show some kind of promise for the money he is making.

If you are responding to my post, then allow me to elaborate. I don't consider those who like Colt Brennan to be haters. The people who do nothing BUT bash JC until they are blue in the face, the people who use irrational arguments & don't think about the fact that JC is not the only player on the field, yet any other QB will do...those are the haters. If you do that, then you can consider yourself one.

I like Colt, but he hasn't even proven to be a good QB against anyone EXCEPT 3rd & 4th stringers in Pre-season. Maybe this year, he'll improve like I hope JC does & becomes a great back-up for JC. But my problem is that in all my years as a Redskins fan, who is always the fans' favorite QB? The back-up. Always has been, seemingly always will be. I have no problem with Colt Brennan.

What I do have a problem with is the lack of patience & understanding in this fanbase & the apparent need to destroy everything we've worked for just to see if the next guy will work, because the guy in charge now isn't cutting it. It's ridiculous. I have said this numerous times & will say it numerous times, even tho I know only the people with rational thought will understand this. No team can win anything when they operate like we have. When you have a revolving door of coaches & QBs & there is no steady ground for anyone to stand on, nothing can get going. We change coaches, we change QBs...when was the last time we had the same starting QB 5 years in a row? When was the last time we had a coach that was here for more than 5 years THAT ACTUALLY WON SOMETHING? That's because we change things up so much.

You do realize that every time we have to start over again, that's another 2-5 years that we have to wait for a championship...at least. And at the rate our revolving door swings, we are NEVER going to win anything. Nor do we deserve to until we settle down & actually allow someone to develop into the starting position. The haters will never allow something like that because the haters want everything RIGHT NOW & it just doesn't work that way.

Name me the last SPORTS franchise that changed things up like we do & actually won something out of it. And how long ago was that, anyway?