Will Jason Campbell return?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

My only sadness is that we have to wait another season to replace him.
I said before i hope he breaks out and proves me wrong but i just dont see it.

I really don't get this. What has he done to make you so eager to replace him? What do you think another QB that we could have had this season via free agency or trade (since we tried for Cutler and didn't meet Denver's request he's out of the consideration) would you rather have back there? If your QB of choice, whomever it is, were back there at QB what results do you think they'd deliver that Campbell has not/will not?

[DBUCHANON101]

I really don't get this. What has he done to make you so eager to replace him?

The real question is, what has he done for us NOT to want to replace him???

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

13 td's as a career high in a year. Last year he didn't throw for more than 2 td's once. He's been in the league 5 years. He's been a starter for 2.5 of those years. Half his career is over before he ever even took that big step forward. He's taken little steps, every year. His TD curve will have him throwing 25 td's when he's 33.

He's thrown for more than 2 td's in a game once, against the Eagles 2 years ago. And in 36 total games, he's thrown more int's than td's in 9 games. That's 25% of his starts girls.

At best, he's turning into a solid game manager. With his int's per game going down. One grain of salt in that statistic, could the first 8 games of last year been an anomaly. In my opinion, that's two significant a portion of his total games played to be the case. So, he's a game manager. And one last positive to support that concept. His qb rating continues to improve with games.

Bottom line, he's a first round draft pick that's probably turning into Trent Dilfer.

Just using your (random) metrics:

In his first 36 starts he threw for more than 2 tds in a game three times. In those 36 games he threw more ints than tds twelve times. That's 33% of his starts ladies! At best he's a 1st round pick who is turning into .... Ben Roethlisberger.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

What does all that mean? I assume its each players numbers from last season. These numbers are nice but the only thing that really matters is that one QB lead his team to a SB win while the other hasnt won anything in his 5 years in the league.

I think it says that the gap between SB Winning QB Roethlisberger and 8-8 QB Jason Campbell is much smaller than some think.

[DBUCHANON101]

At best he's a 1st round pick who is turning into .... Ben Roethlisberger.

Are you serious?? Big Ben wins games.. Thats the difference.What was the streak Pittsburgh went on? But this isnt a fair deal. Big Ben is in a power run O and its not all on him. The WCO goes as the QB goes and with JC, we wont go far.IMO

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I cant name one Saint WR other than Colston and they led the league in Offense. NO running game, NO great Oline.

I love how the JC faithful downplay our team as a excuse for him.. We have CP who was a top rusher in the league for most of the season. We have Cooley who is a top 5 TE. We have Moss who is still a good WR and can be a game breaker if he had a good QB throwing him the ball.

That's an indictment on you as a football fan then. You can't name Lance Moore, David Patten, Devrey Henderson, Robert Meachem not to mention Jeremy Shockey? Bush had a solid year running the ball and Pierre Thomas had a breakout year (as a complimentary back) back there as well.

Portis cracked 100 yards once in the 2nd half of the season and averaged more than 4.0 yards per carry in 2 games after week 8. Teams were double covering Moss and bracketing Cooley down the stretch because they knew Randle-El, Thomas and Thrash could be contained with single coverage. It's really simple to refute general claims with specifics. Call it being a 'JC faithful' but it's really just stating football facts.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think it says that the gap between SB Winning QB Roethlisberger and 8-8 QB Jason Campbell is much smaller than some think.

Bingo. "But Roethlisberger is a winner" and "the Redskins defense is just as good as the Steelers. Hey, they were #4 in the whole league based on yards allowed and clearly that is the only way to judge a defense." OK.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

That would be Super Bowl winning QB Trent Dilfer to you. Ultimate 'game manager', great defense, solid running game..

Look, there's nobody that can legitimately tell you that Campbell has lived up to all of the hopes and dreams of Redskins fans from a first round draft pick QB but the legions of fans who have given up on a QB that has less than 40 starts and has continually improved his game is ridiculous.

Call them excuses if you want to but to expect lights out performances from someone who's had 7 systems in 8 years, multiple QB coaches tinkering with his mechanics to fit their system not to mention our less than stellar receiving group then of course you're going to be disappointed. What he's endured in his first few years in the league is unprecedented.

Those excuses are awful. And in hindsight in 5 years, you'll remember those excuses as the sugar coating justification you played with during this failed quarterback project. And why not, everyone else is selling themselves on the lack of data too. You shouldn't feel alone.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I really don't get this. What has he done to make you so eager to replace him?

The real question is, what has he done for us NOT to want to replace him???

It was a simple question that you couldn't answer obviously.

My answer is progress. Each year improving in completion percentage, yards, TD, turnover ratio, QB rating, wins. What do you have?

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

That's an indictment on you as a football fan then. You can't name Lance Moore, David Patten, Devrey Henderson, Robert Meachem not to mention Jeremy Shockey? Bush had a solid year running the ball and Pierre Thomas had a breakout year (as a complimentary back) back there as well.

Portis cracked 100 yards once in the 2nd half of the season and averaged more than 4.0 yards per carry in 2 games after week 8. Teams were double covering Moss and bracketing Cooley down the stretch because they knew Randle-El, Thomas and Thrash could be contained with single coverage. It's really simple to refute general claims with specifics. Call it being a 'JC faithful' but it's really just stating football facts.

Haha. Your "facts" don't matter here. I prefer hyper-generalizations and impressionistic commentary!

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Just using your (random) metrics:

In his first 36 starts he threw for more than 2 tds in a game three times. In those 36 games he threw more ints than tds twelve times. That's 33% of his starts ladies! At best he's a 1st round pick who is turning into .... Ben Roethlisberger.

incorrect.

[DBUCHANON101]

Robert Meachem not to mention Jeremy Shockey?

Uh, i live close to N.O and they hate Shockey and Meachem is near bust status.

Here is a STAT for you guys. 13 td's, 4 came in 2 games so thats 9 td's in 14 games. There is a reason we couldnt trade JC. He is not as good as you think he is.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

Those excuses are awful. And in hindsight in 5 years, you'll remember those excuses as the sugar coating justification you played with during this failed quarterback project. And why not, everyone else is selling themselves on the lack of data too. You shouldn't feel alone.

I love how you call facts 'excuses'. In hindsight in 8 months when Campbell dramatically improves in all of the areas he's criticized about then as a result of continuity, then what will your comments be?

I've never seen consistent progress so easily dismissed as 'failure'. It's laughable.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think it says that the gap between SB Winning QB Roethlisberger and 8-8 QB Jason Campbell is much smaller than some think.

And the gap might very well be confidence. Ben shoots the ball into tight situations, while JC opts to go to the checkdown man in similar situations. JC needs to get over his fear of INTs because he's got a nasty arm, strong and accurate.

Remember last year when JC hadn't thrown an INT through the first 8 games? That's not necessarily a good stat, especially when your team in near the bottom of the league in 3rd down conversions. Optimistically, if our defense starts causing turnovers, that could be the prompting JC needs to begin taking more risks. Who knows.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Coff

And the gap might very well be confidence. Ben shoots the ball into tight situations, while JC opts to go to the checkdown man in similar situations. JC needs to get over his fear of INTs because he's got a nasty arm, strong and accurate.

Remember last year when JC hadn't thrown an INT through the first 8 games? That's not necessarily a good stat, especially when your team in near the bottom of the league in 3rd down conversions. Optimistically, if our defense starts causing turnovers, that could be the prompting JC needs to begin taking more risks. Who knows.

While I agree that JC has been conditioned by Gibbs to be ultra conservative in his decision making and as a fan it's frustrating to see him check down so frequently, I don't know any football mind that will agree that 0 INT is 'non necessarily a good stat.' A punt is always better than a pick, 100 times out of 100.