Mark Sanchez at 13th?

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

No, it doesnt, because i'm not alone. Multipe sources were sited as saying this a year ago. Every paid professional that i can recall reading questioned the move, and JCs ability to transiton. While no one on this forum seems to share my view, its a common belief in other forums i visit and amongst my friends. So really, the only place where i go that i don't find anyone beleiving this simple fact is here. It doesnt bother me at all, but i do wonder why you cant see something thats clear as day to me. I guess everyone is entitled to beleive what they want some people are convinced in a God, others are convinced the mere notion is completely idiotic. Both views can't be right, but staunch supporters of either position will never be convinced that the other side is right. I view it as a similar situation here. From my POV, you have blind faith in Campbells success in this system. In my view, all the evidence points to the contrary. Im open to every possibility, but i won't beleive it until i see it.


I agree with what you say about Heyer vs Jason based on their starting point (Campbell-High, Heyer-Low) but for those same reasons, i feel the ceiling is lower for Campbell than it is for Heyer. Campbell clearly showed what he was capeable of, which is why he was drafted so high. With Heyer, he has much more room to improve, if that makes sense.


Excluding the draft, i dont think we could make significant improvements over either Heyer or Campbell, so improving on either of them prior to the drafu is a non-issue.


"No one" on this forum seems to think Sanchez would be an upgrade over Campbell... but that doesnt mean "no one." Obviously, there arent alot of people making direct comparisons out there, but most teams have Sanchez rated as the best QB in the draft. The Lions are the only team that seems to prefer Stafford and i'm not really sure why... oh, thats right - they're the Lions. Anyway, with Campbell, we know what we're getting. He's a classy mild mannered guy who doesnt make mistakes. With Sanchez, we're getting a guy who has all the physical tools Campbell has, but with the "it" factor. He also has had the advantage of being in only one system the past 3 years.... as opposed to the 7? Campbells been in in the past 9?.


Interesting you bring that up, since CP was just talking about that.
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I've rambled on enough, but suffice to say, I'd be thrilled in that scenario: Let them compete for it, let them both make eachother better, and let the best man win.

You're a smart guy, BHA. You're just sufficiently been beaten at this QB discussion, and hardly just by myself, to the point where you are left clinging to non-points and non-realities in the hope that someone might join in soon.

But seriously, clinging to arguments like "it" factor and "ceiling space" are best left to those other fourms you speak of and the friends who will back your opinions no matter what you say. Here, you know, we tend to see that as less of a difference of opinion, and more of a "he's grasping for straws" kind of thing. I like to poke fun at myself and other people when things are said, but once you start using phrases like "can't handle the pressure" and "doesn't have 'it'" and "just a bad fit here", you are no longer making a reasonable argument.

I understand you may rationalize Campbell's continued presence under center as a poor scheme fit, but we can all see through it as a weak cop out because you obviously don't like the guy. We're not stupid, BHA. We've seen you suggest that we should bring in Chris Simms, trade multiple first round picks for Jay Cutler, and now trade up for Mark Sanchez. You can see as clearly as we can how much these things would hurt the team and you've even suggested that we'd be better off losing a ton of games in the short term than not improving the team for the next 5 years or so.

Obviously, that's indicitive of an inconsistent value system. Empircially, whether you like him or not, Jason Campbell is by far the best option for the short term health and possibly long term health of the franchise. Any move that pushes him to the side of the road hurts the team in the short term for sure, and likely the long term as well. The fact that you've been a proponent of not just one, but pretty much all ideas that do this makes it plain as day to me that you are less concerned about the success of this team the next two years than you are that we go at it with someone else than Campbell.

Basically once you perceive the VERY WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME FOR ALL THINGS CAMPBELL'S FUTURE, your position becomes defensable. And by the same token, you've pretty much wished the worst on the team you choose to root for. I can't understand how you and your buddies can sit around pontificating about how much better things will be when we get rid of JC, and that's not a philosophical difference.