The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Sounds like what I wrote in the other thread.

I didn't see anything about the Giants D-line destroying us in this article.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I didn't see anything about the Giants D-line destroying us in this article.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I didn't see anything about the Giants D-line destroying us in this article.

Ha, ha, you are funny!!

[70Chip]

So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.

U know what's wrong here? Hint: check out my sig

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

U know what's wrong here? Hint: check out my sig

Nice sig Goat. I don't think there is any doubt the receivers didn't play well last year. But the bottom line is we were 6-2 until the o-line collapsed.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.

Actually I can't think of more than a few good WRs who did have good first years. It is rlatively accepted that rookie WRs struggle. Now do they struggle like ours did? Not sure...injuries played a huge role in that but name more than 5 who played WELL. Not just average or almost average.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Actually I can't think of more than a few good WRs who did have good first years. It is rlatively accepted that rookie WRs struggle. Now do they struggle like ours did? Not sure...injuries played a huge role in that but name more than 5 who played WELL. Not just average or almost average.

Almost average would be a big improvement for Kelly and Thomas.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Almost average would be a big improvement for Kelly and Thomas.

True. Also not hurt for 75% of the season would have been too. F*cking rookies have to get the sh*t straight. WHat the hell were they thinking getting hurt? Punks!

Seriously, they sucked. But they were hurt, for whatever reason . I'm not saying they are any good. I am saying we simply don't know and basing anything on last season is way premature.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.

Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Vincent Jackson each had 10 or fewer receptions their first season; Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Plaxico Burress each had 20 or fewer.

Steve Smith's rookie season: 10 catches, 154 yards, 4 carries, 43 yards (8 fumbles, 3 lost)

Devin Thomas: 15 catches, 120 yards, 3 carries, 54 yards, 1 TD

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Vincent Jackson each had 10 or fewer receptions their first season; Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Plaxico Burress each had 20 or fewer.

Steve Smith's rookie season: 10 catches, 154 yards, 4 carries, 43 yards (8 fumbles, 3 lost)

Devin Thomas: 15 catches, 120 yards, 3 carries, 54 yards, 1 TD

Six names. You have access to all the power of ESPN and you come up with 6 names. How many people have played the position in the last fifteen years? Hundreds. I stand by my contention that if it looks like a bust, smells like a bust, lives in the training room like a bust, and can't memorize plays like a bust, then it is probably a bust.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Six names. You have access to all the power of ESPN and you come up with 6 names. How many people have played the position in the last fifteen years? Hundreds. I stand by my contention that if it looks like a bust, smells like a bust, lives in the training room like a bust, and can't memorize plays like a bust, then it is probably a bust.

do you're own research then. the list is pretty long... mccardell didn't do anything till his 4th year, ginn had 400 yards his rookie season (and he started 9 games)... winslow had 2 crappy years , coles only had 370 his first season (another guy that started games). burress had 270 his rookie year (starting 9 games - and 0 TDs). hines ward had 240 yards as a rookie.

search nfl.com if you want more. it's VERY rare for a WR to jump in like boldin or colston.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

do you're own research then. the list is pretty long... mccardell didn't do anything till his 4th year, ginn had 400 yards his rookie season (and he started 9 games)... winslow had 2 crappy years , coles only had 370 his first season (another guy that started games). burress had 270 his rookie year (starting 9 games - and 0 TDs). hines ward had 240 yards as a rookie.

search nfl.com if you want more. it's VERY rare for a WR to jump in like boldin or colston.

It's not even worth discussing, he said there weren't any at all. Clearly that's wrong. But he still believes what he believes. I guess we should just draft more wide receivers this year

[backrow]

Interesting four page read about a WAPO Insider article of pure conjecture!

Insider apparently doesn't access CC/Schneed's salary cap page here in the Warpath! We still have some Cap wiggle room. Everything written in the Insider needs to be taken with a grain of salt!

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by That Guy

do you're own research then. the list is pretty long... mccardell didn't do anything till his 4th year, ginn had 400 yards his rookie season (and he started 9 games)... winslow had 2 crappy years , coles only had 370 his first season (another guy that started games). burress had 270 his rookie year (starting 9 games - and 0 TDs). hines ward had 240 yards as a rookie.

search nfl.com if you want more. it's VERY rare for a WR to jump in like boldin or colston.

Here's my list of every receiver drafted in the first two rounds since 2000. Which excludes guys like the Real Steve Smith (3rd round) and Colston among others. It gave me a less than sanguine outlook on Thomas especially. I would actually say the guys who come from nowhere are more the exception than the rule.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post522944