New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El

[CRedskinsRule]

Also Matty, in the Plackemeier thread, you looked at his stats and basically said cya, and I agree we can do better.

I looked in the NFL reference, and here are our Receiving Stats per year:
2004 - 29th
2005 - 22nd
2006 - 23rd
2007 - 15th (one good year, kinda like Placks one good game)
2008 - 22nd

Statistically we average to the 22nd place. I just think the Skins can do so much better. How many coaches have we brought in to help JC, and it has worked, in my opinion.

Stan Hixon may be good - but we can and ought to do better.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Think you meant Thomas' careers and yeah that is one of my biggest concerns as well.

yep, thanks, i fixed it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Also Matty, in the Plackemeier thread, you looked at his stats and basically said cya, and I agree we can do better.

I looked in the NFL reference, and here are our Receiving Stats per year:
2004 - 29th
2005 - 22nd
2006 - 23rd
2007 - 15th (one good year, kinda like Placks one good game)
2008 - 22nd

Statistically we average to the 22nd place. I just think the Skins can do so much better. How many coaches have we brought in to help JC, and it has worked, in my opinion.

Stan Hixon may be good - but we can and ought to do better.

In the case of the punting situation notice we're replacing the player, not the coach. It's a talent issue, not coaching. The same applies to WR, let's see what Hixon can do with some actual talent. Not some fan favorite scrubs who haven't done jack in this league for anyone before or after being a Redskin.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So for the people that complain my question is...if we don't restructure, what else can the team do? Wouldn't cutting some of these guys would affect our cap more? I know that restructuring is not a good thing, but isn't it a lesser of two evils?

you eventually have to pay the piper. You can't keep giving these older players these types of deals. randel el is 29 and if that extension kicks in through 2015, he'll be like 35 or so making pretty damn good money for a guy that hasn't produced in his peek years. Same goes for Carter. This is why we dont have quality depth, why we have aging players making too much money to cut. You have to get rid of these guys when there best days are behind them, like the Eagles, Patriots seem to do and fill the spots with young guys. Its just the same old crap from the Front Office.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Thank you. Someone else said it so I didn't have to.

There's not likely to be a cap in 2010 and beyond. Extending Randle-El and Carter will not be a financial problem come this time next year.

This clears more space than I had anticipated would be possible from Carter and Randle-El, because they're extending (to remain compliant with 30% rule) as opposed to restructuring.

I'll withhold further comment until I see more contract details, but this points to an attempt to keep the old heads on the team around for a longer period of time.

You can not bank on NOT have a salary cap. I would imagine the sides will come together and work something out. the NFL and its owners do not want to have a NON CAPPED NFL. It would be disastrous for the smaller market teams, especially in the financial situation the country is in.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

In the case of the punting situation notice we're replacing the player, not the coach. It's a talent issue, not coaching. The same applies to WR, let's see what Hixon can do with some actual talent. Not some fan favorite scrubs who haven't done jack in this league for anyone before or after being a Redskin.

I know that it is different with a coach vs player, not to mention receiving stats include TE's and RB's (which only adds to the sadness when you consider Cooley's yardage drop out of the totals).

Can I ask a few questions though:
1) if we can't look at pure stats; and we dismiss the drops, wrong routes, etc as mental errors, then what criteria can we as fans look at to rate a coach. After all; we consider Jerry Gray a top notch coach, but he certainly has naturally gifted players. And Zorn was considered an excellent coach with what he did with Hasselback - but what if Zorn hadn't coached him, would he have been added to the list of "favorite scrubs" and Zorn given a pass?

2) After 5 years, what is the argument FOR keeping him? I am not trying to hate on Hixon, I am confident he is a good guy-or he would have been gone. But the defense of keeping him really seems to be: "he is here, lets keep him".

3) Can we do worse if we bring someone else in? Are we hurting the team by trying to get a top tier WR coach? Does he have a strong locker room or esprit de corps value which is understated?

4) and finally, Through massive coaching changes in the last 5 years, why does he rise above the fray?

I just want to understand what he brings to the Skins that makes him valuable enough to have, what seems like, more immunity - with much less on the field results -than many of the coaches we have released .

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I know that it is different with a coach vs player, not to mention receiving stats include TE's and RB's (which only adds to the sadness when you consider Cooley's yardage drop out of the totals).

Can I ask a few questions though:
1) if we can't look at pure stats; and we dismiss the drops, wrong routes, etc as mental errors, then what criteria can we as fans look at to rate a coach. After all; we consider Jerry Gray a top notch coach, but he certainly has naturally gifted players. And Zorn was considered an excellent coach with what he did with Hasselback - but what if Zorn hadn't coached him, would he have been added to the list of "favorite scrubs" and Zorn given a pass?

2) After 5 years, what is the argument FOR keeping him? I am not trying to hate on Hixon, I am confident he is a good guy-or he would have been gone. But the defense of keeping him really seems to be: "he is here, lets keep him".

3) Can we do worse if we bring someone else in? Are we hurting the team by trying to get a top tier WR coach? Does he have a strong locker room or esprit de corps value which is understated?

4) and finally, Through massive coaching changes in the last 5 years, why does he rise above the fray?

I just want to understand what he brings to the Skins that makes him valuable enough to have, what seems like, more immunity - with much less on the field results -than many of the coaches we have released .

I agree. I haven't seen anything to say Hixon is a great coach. I've watched him give an interview and other then being a nice guy there wasn't anything really impressive about him. I"ve heard Danny Smith called out this year even though he's done well in the past and doesn't really have much on teams. I've even heard Buges called out even though he's working with senior citizens on the o-line. You never hear anything about Hixon and our passing game sucked this year. Granted he hasn't had alot to work with but can anybody name anything good that he gets credit for? I've never heard the players or coaches even mention his name. It's not that I want to blame him for anything, I'd like to give him some credit....But for what?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

you eventually have to pay the piper. You can't keep giving these older players these types of deals. randel el is 29 and if that extension kicks in through 2015, he'll be like 35 or so making pretty damn good money for a guy that hasn't produced in his peek years. Same goes for Carter. This is why we dont have quality depth, why we have aging players making too much money to cut. You have to get rid of these guys when there best days are behind them, like the Eagles, Patriots seem to do and fill the spots with young guys. Its just the same old crap from the Front Office.

The Patriots let's their star players walk away when they are free agents (Adam V. and Rodney Harrison) and trade them when they are in their prime (Deion Branch). Also bad idea using the Patriots as an example, as they bring old players and make them work (i.e. Junior Seau).