2009 Pro-Football Hall of Fame Inductees

[SFREDSKIN]

No disrespect to McDaniel but how many SB rings does he have? None? How a bout Grimm? 4, possibly 5 today. Grimm was a beast just like McDaniel and as an interior lineman created huge holes for Riggo and was part of one of the most domineering OL's of all time if not the most. Grimm and Jacoby should both be in the HOF and I would have picked Grimm over McDaniel just because of what his team accomplished in that era (4 SB appearances, 3 championships). I hate all those writers that vote on the election starting with Peter "Fat****" King.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

No disrespect to McDaniel but how many SB rings does he have? None? How a bout Grimm? 4, possibly 5 today. Grimm was a beast just like McDaniel and as an interior lineman created huge holes for Riggo and was part of one of the most domineering OL's of all time if not the most. Grimm and Jacoby should both be in the HOF and I would have picked Grimm over McDaniel just because of what his team accomplished in that era (4 SB appearances, 3 championships). I hate all those writers that vote on the election starting with Peter "Fat****" King.

Thank you very much. Agree 100%

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Thank you very much. Agree 100%

It's the truth!! I'm sick of all these writers who are enamored with the 49ers and Cowboys. The Redskins team of the 80's was as good as the 49ers if not, better, the one thing we lacked was franchise QB. If the Skins could have had a QB like Montana they would have won 6 to 7 SB in that era. Don't laugh, it's true.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

It's the truth!! I'm sick of all these writers who are enamored with the 49ers and Cowboys. The Redskins team of the 80's was as good as the 49ers if not, better, the one thing we lacked was franchise QB. If the Skins could have had a QB like Montana they would have won 6 to 7 SB in that era. Don't laugh, it's true.

I'm not laughing. The 80's Skins IMO was "The Best" The Hogs should all be HOF We were not a glamour team. I remember everytime we were in a Super Bowl my friends could not believe it. I would say don't you watch the Skins play. Most of them didn't. The media seemed to treat them the same way. Nobody ever picked them to win. They had short highlights. It's like you had to be a Skins fan to truly appretiate what they were doing.

It was all about the Cowboys and 49s

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

No disrespect to McDaniel but how many SB rings does he have? None? How a bout Grimm? 4, possibly 5 today. Grimm was a beast just like McDaniel and as an interior lineman created huge holes for Riggo and was part of one of the most domineering OL's of all time if not the most. Grimm and Jacoby should both be in the HOF and I would have picked Grimm over McDaniel just because of what his team accomplished in that era (4 SB appearances, 3 championships). I hate all those writers that vote on the election starting with Peter "Fat****" King.

Well, that's also why you aren't voting on the hall of fame committee.

I don't think we really need to make self-serving arguments like this when TWO players from this era just went in for us last year, but that's just my opinion I guess.

On the field, McDaniel was way, way better than Grimm, and that's all the voters are supposed to judge on.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, that's also why you aren't voting on the hall of fame committee.

I don't think we really need to make self-serving arguments like this when TWO players from this era just went in for us last year, but that's just my opinion I guess.

On the field, McDaniel was way, way better than Grimm, and that's all the voters are supposed to judge on.

McDaniel was no better than Grimm, they were both as good. Show me his rings, the writers of the HOF are enamored with stats, perfect example Monk. Grimm should have been elected like Monk years ago. Don't forget Jacoby either and to show you that i'm not a homer, Derrick Thomas ahead of Charles Haley who has 5 SB and was a much better player, C'mon.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

McDaniel was no better than Grimm, they were both as good. Show me his rings, the writers of the HOF are enamored with stats, perfect example Monk. Grimm should have been elected like Monk years ago. Don't forget Jacoby either.

I do think it's a crime that Jacoby isn't a finalist either, but at Grimms super bowl winning peak, he was a first team all pro Guard. He was a perennial pro bowler for 4 seasons and a 3 time all pro.

McDaniel was a pro bowler for 12 straight seasons, and a 7 time all pro. If Grimm wasn't injured in what should have been his prime (ages 28-31), he could have been a sure-fire hall of famer. Instead, what we are left with is a HOF finalist whose strongest argument is that he embodies the spirit of the great offensive line he played on.

I think entire units should be eligible for hall of fame inclusion. There's no doubt the "Hogs" from 1982-1992 deserve to be in the Hall. But when you start comparing individuals to individuals, we just get weak arguments like Grimm>McDaniel, which just isn't true.

Again, I think the injustice here is that the Hogs can't all go in together, after all, the strength of the unit was in numbers, not in individual greatness.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

No disrespect to McDaniel but how many SB rings does he have? None? How a bout Grimm? 4, possibly 5 today. Grimm was a beast just like McDaniel and as an interior lineman created huge holes for Riggo and was part of one of the most domineering OL's of all time if not the most. Grimm and Jacoby should both be in the HOF and I would have picked Grimm over McDaniel just because of what his team accomplished in that era (4 SB appearances, 3 championships). I hate all those writers that vote on the election starting with Peter "Fat****" King.

McDaniel played at a high level for a longer period of time. It's not all about SB's. Grimm didn't even start on the 87 and 91 teams and was a back up the last few years of his career. McDaniel was the better player and should go in before Grimm.