Sometimes Its Who You Keep Not Who You Sign

[MTK]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I think if ryan clark was still with the redskins - he wouldn't be the player he is now. Just a feeling. What does this say (about the redskins)?... I don't exactly know.

All it says is people seem to think everyone on other teams are great and our players suck. It's all about perspective. And what kind of player is Clark right now anyway? He's a solid player, as he was here. It's not like he turned into Sean Taylor in Pittsburgh.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

All it says is people seem to think everyone on other teams are great and our players suck. It's all about perspective. And what kind of player is Clark right now anyway? He's a solid player, as he was here. It's not like he turned into Sean Taylor in Pittsburgh.

Actually, judging by the jarring hits that he has made recently - especially the one on McGahee - I think he HAS turned into the Sean Taylor of Pittsburgh.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Actually, judging by the jarring hits that he has made recently - especially the one on McGahee - I think he HAS turned into the Sean Taylor of Pittsburgh.

He was never afraid of throwing his body around when he was a Redskin either. Regardless he is still no #21, not even close.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

He was never afraid of throwing his body around when he was a Redskin either. Regardless he is still no #21, not even close.

I disagree - as a redskin, he may have been looking to make some tackles, but now he's looking to put people out on the stretcher with the way he hits. There's a big difference.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I disagree - as a redskin, he may have been looking to make some tackles, but now he's looking to put people out on the stretcher with the way he hits. There's a big difference.

Ryan Clark is no ST. Sean had speed, range, instincts and hands, which Clark lacks in all. It was not just his hits that made him good, it was the ability to cover and catch ints ('07). Ryan Clark is good for a few hits but his cover skills and speed are very mediocore.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Ryan Clark is no ST. Sean had speed, range, instincts and hands, which Clark lacks in all. It was not just his hits that made him good, it was the ability to cover and catch ints ('07). Ryan Clark is good for a few hits but his cover skills and speed are very mediocore.

I wouldn't dare compare him to Sean Taylor - even if I thought he was a better player. The thought has never crossed my mind - (a major reason is out of respect).

Saying he's the Sean Taylor of Pittsburgh is putting his abilities in relation to his impact on his team in Pittsburgh (and his way of playing) and entirely different than making a comparison to THE Sean Taylor.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

All it says is people seem to think everyone on other teams are great and our players suck. It's all about perspective. And what kind of player is Clark right now anyway? He's a solid player, as he was here. It's not like he turned into Sean Taylor in Pittsburgh.

He has improved alot and is one of the hardest hitters in the NFL right now. For the price, id take him over Landry in a heartbeat (assuming we had our #6overall pick back.)

This is somewhat unrelated, but I don't like Landry and Horton in their current roles. They both need to play SS. If we had the same corners we had now, i'd take Clark (FS) and Horton (SS) with our 2007 1st rounder back and used on a DE or DT over our current configuration and be deliriously happy. For what its worth, I'd also trade Horton for a 2nd rounder in a heartbeat if someone offered as much.

This team simly does not know how to select (and keep) the right defensive players and then use them effectively. The failure is two-fold. Its a failure in Vinny in giving Blache (and previously Williams) the right personnel for their system and its a failure in Blache (and previously Williams) in failing to adapt their system to fit the players Vinny gave them. Now that I think of it, the problems plagued our offense too. In the end, we've hired coaches to run a certain system, but we have never given them the right players to make their system work. Great coaches adapt their systems to their players, but it would be a whole lot easier for the FO to just pick the right players in the first place. its not that the FO NEVER picks the right players, it just does it about 50% of the time. thats simply not good enough.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

He has improved alot and is one of the hardest hitters in the NFL right now. For the price, id take him over Landry in a heartbeat (assuming we had our #6overall pick back.)

This is somewhat unrelated, but I don't like Landry and Horton in their current roles. They both need to play SS. If we had the same corners we had now, i'd take Clark (FS) and Horton (SS) with our 2007 1st rounder back and used on a DE or DT over our current configuration and be deliriously happy. For what its worth, I'd also trade Horton for a 2nd rounder in a heartbeat if someone offered as much.

This team simly does not know how to select (and keep) the right defensive players and then use them effectively. The failure is two-fold. Its a failure in Vinny in giving Blache (and previously Williams) the right personnel for their system and its a failure in Blache (and previously Williams) in failing to adapt their system to fit the players Vinny gave them. Now that I think of it, the problems plagued our offense too. In the end, we've hired coaches to run a certain system, but we have never given them the right players to make their system work. Great coaches adapt their systems to their players, but it would be a whole lot easier for the FO to just pick the right players in the first place.

Don't forget that things would be different in our defense if Sean Taylor was still alive. I would say that the team did know how to select a good player when they picked ST. I mean this conversation about Clark would not be happening if we had the ST/Landry combination at safety.

Also, people forget that Clark is playing alongside Polamalu, so I'm sure that adds to him (Clark) being a good player now.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Don't forget that things would be different in our defense if Sean Taylor was still alive. I would say that the team did know how to select a good player when they picked ST. I mean this conversation about Clark would not be happening if we had the ST/Landry combination at safety.

Also, people forget that Clark is playing alongside Polamalu, so I'm sure that adds to him (Clark) being a good player now.

Good point on Taylor, but we would have been facing a different set of problems if he hadnt been murdered. We likely wouldnt have been able to keep Taylor here... or if we did, it would have cost us bigtime and other areas of our team would have suffered. (on the other hand, it could have forced the FO to make some tough choices, like cutting some of our older vets last year and not extending guys like Thomas and Portis... but that would be giving Cerrato too much credit.)

anyway, just remember that Clark was a good player when he was playing alongside sean Taylor too. Its not like he THAT much better of a player now... he was always good. He fit the system we ran. I imagine one of the reasons we let him go was that we wanted to move Taylor to FS, but in doing so, we created a huge hole that idiotboy Cerrato decided to fill by signing ArchDeluxe to a ridiculous contract - then when that was a colossal failure, we overcompensated by picking Landry.

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Good point on Taylor, but we would have been facing a different set of problems if he hadnt been murdered. We likely wouldnt have been able to keep Taylor here... or if we did, it would have cost us bigtime and other areas of our team would have suffered. (on the other hand, it could have forced the FO to make some tough choices, like cutting some of our older vets last year and not extending guys like Thomas and Portis... but that would be giving Cerrato too much credit.)

anyway, just remember that Clark was a good player when he was playing alongside sean Taylor too. Its not like he THAT much better of a player now... he was always good. He fit the system we ran. I imagine one of the reasons we let him go was that we wanted to move Taylor to FS, but in doing so, we created a huge hole that idiotboy Cerrato decided to fill by signing ArchDeluxe to a ridiculous contract - then when that was a colossal failure, we overcompensated by picking Landry.

I dislike Cerrato as much as the next guy, but blaming Arch Deluxe on him is a mistake. Gregg Williams was the one pulling for Archuleta.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

He has improved alot and is one of the hardest hitters in the NFL right now. For the price, id take him over Landry in a heartbeat (assuming we had our #6overall pick back.)

This is somewhat unrelated, but I don't like Landry and Horton in their current roles. They both need to play SS. If we had the same corners we had now, i'd take Clark (FS) and Horton (SS) with our 2007 1st rounder back and used on a DE or DT over our current configuration and be deliriously happy. For what its worth, I'd also trade Horton for a 2nd rounder in a heartbeat if someone offered as much.

This team simly does not know how to select (and keep) the right defensive players and then use them effectively. The failure is two-fold. Its a failure in Vinny in giving Blache (and previously Williams) the right personnel for their system and its a failure in Blache (and previously Williams) in failing to adapt their system to fit the players Vinny gave them. Now that I think of it, the problems plagued our offense too. In the end, we've hired coaches to run a certain system, but we have never given them the right players to make their system work. Great coaches adapt their systems to their players, but it would be a whole lot easier for the FO to just pick the right players in the first place. its not that the FO NEVER picks the right players, it just does it about 50% of the time. thats simply not good enough.

Clark is a solid player but nothing special. This is just another example of people overrating other team's players while underrating our own.

Correct me if I'm wrong but over the past few years the D has pretty much carried this team, so they must be doing something right on that side of the ball. It's amazing they can continue to overcome these horrible personnel decisions and bad coaching.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Clark is a solid player but nothing special. This is just another example of people overrating other team's players while underrating our own.

Correct me if I'm wrong but over the past few years the D has pretty much carried this team, so they must be doing something right on that side of the ball. It's amazing they can continue to overcome these horrible personnel decisions and bad coaching.

Agreed Matty. It's not like Clark left, the defense fell apart, and they've been at the bottom of NFL defenses. Once again, some posts here are just beating that dead horse of bashing the front office on things that happened in the past.

[Son Of Man]

Everyone needs to get over Ryan Clark being let go. The guy is not even a pro-bowl caliber player. In fact in his last season as a Redskin, his signature play was being stiff-armed to the ground by Tomlinson on LT's way to a Td run in overtime that sealed a vistory for the Chargers. I'll take a young Horton over an aging Clark any day.

BTW- There is no way the organization would have let Sean Taylor go if he were still alive. Portis and Moss would have helped prevent it. Danny would have made him the highest paid safety in history, deservingly so.

[Larry Michael is Satan]

Ryan Clark was a great compliment to ST, and was one of my favorite Redskins. I remember seeing big hits on the field and assuming it was #21, but then see #25 get up from the pile. I remember one of the Skins saying "Ryan Clark will separate your body from your soul." He was apparently a very positive force in the locker room too, which yes, actually does matter.

It was a big mistake not re-signing him, and I believe it speaks volumes about GW's ego. The Skins would get beat down the middle, and obviously in GW's mind it couldn't be the fault of his genius Cover-2 scheme, it must be the inferior safety's fault. Goodbye Clark, hello Arch. Also speaks volumes about the Skins FO, as there wasn't a qualified GM to overrule Gregg.

I'm happy for Ryan, he and his well-run team deserve to win a few Superbowls.