Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Love Smoot, but he shouldn't be expected to be more than a nickel CB at this point. That being said though, I think he played hurt a lot when others wouldn't have. Assuming he's healthy in 2009, I think he'll be a lot better.

Love Springs, but his window is probably pretty close to shut now at CB (at Safety, that's another issue). I think he's far and away our best defensive back when he's out there on the field. And I think his fragility is way overrated. But as he gets older his body can't keep up. For the current price it's hard to justify keeping him.

I thought we made a mistake with Tryon when we could have drafted what I thought were better DBs. And I wasn't impressed with him in the preseason, maybe because I had already decided I didn't like him. That said though, he did alright on special teams last year. And he got some playing time late in the year where he didn't really embarass himself or the team on D.

Still, it shouldn't be an either/or with Rogers and Hall. Ideally, they both come back

Amen.

... still a little peeved we let Torrence go (instead of Tryon). Certainly he needed to improve but he'd come a long way IMO and showed promise. For one thing I think he was insane fast.

Questions about Springs: does he not want to play safety? Blache has mentioned the transition in a positive light but i can't remember Springs responding. Also, what's your intuition about a restructured deal: will he deal or just prefer to play elsewhere?

... last question will anyone pay Springs more than we're willing to (at the restructured price)?

[Eknox]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Amen.

... still a little peeved we let Torrence go (instead of Tryon). Certainly he needed to improve but he'd come a long way IMO and showed promise. For one thing I think he was insane fast.

Questions about Springs: does he not want to play safety? Blache has mentioned the transition in a positive light but i can't remember Springs responding. Also, what's your intuition about a restructured deal: will he deal or just prefer to play elsewhere?

... last question will anyone pay Springs more than we're willing to (at the restructured price)?

yeah I'm peeved about Leigh Torrnce, Ryan Clark, and Antonio Pierce ...what great minds run the Redskins...don't ya just love Vinnie and danny boy

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Amen.

... still a little peeved we let Torrence go (instead of Tryon). Certainly he needed to improve but he'd come a long way IMO and showed promise. For one thing I think he was insane fast.

Questions about Springs: does he not want to play safety? Blache has mentioned the transition in a positive light but i can't remember Springs responding. Also, what's your intuition about a restructured deal: will he deal or just prefer to play elsewhere?

... last question will anyone pay Springs more than we're willing to (at the restructured price)?

That was one of the things that annoyed me most all season. Torrence is young and has been in the system for a few years. Definitely better than Tryon at this point. I think the move was made so Vinny's draft wouldn't look worse - more pride than brains IMO.

I think Torrence is a free agent again, although with Gregg Williams taking over their D in NO, I wouldn't be surprised if they kept him. I'd like to have him back though. However, they need secondary help something terrible, so they may draft a CB high or make a big FA signing.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

That was one of the things that annoyed me most all season. Torrence is young and has been in the system for a few years. Definitely better than Tryon at this point. I think the move was made so Vinny's draft wouldn't look worse - more pride than brains IMO.

I think Torrence is a free agent again, although with Gregg Williams taking over their D in NO, I wouldn't be surprised if they kept him. I'd like to have him back though. However, they need secondary help something terrible, so they may draft a CB high or make a big FA signing.

What do you want to bet Grilliams would be in the market for Los if our FO is really going to shop him?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What do you want to bet Grilliams would be in the market for Los if our FO is really going to shop him?

Good call. I could see that.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Good call. I could see that.

Wonder if the same could happen w/ Marcus. Personally I was surprised to hear he wants to leave (if the rumor is true) and then thought maybe he wants to play for Williams.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Wonder if the same could happen w/ Marcus. Personally I was surprised to hear he wants to leave (if the rumor is true) and then thought maybe he wants to play for Williams.

That I think is less likely. They are set at MLB and LOLB with Vilma and Fujita. The other guy out of Nebraska, Scott Shanle, started all 16 games for them last year at ROLB and had around 90 tackles, plus he's younger than Marcus.

I never heard that Marcus wanted to leave. I love the dude's motor and heart, but he's lost a step, he's expensive, and he's just hurt too much.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

That I think is less likely. They are set at MLB and LOLB with Vilma and Fujita. The other guy out of Nebraska, Scott Shanle, started all 16 games for them last year at ROLB and had around 90 tackles, plus he's younger than Marcus.

I never heard that Marcus wanted to leave. I love the dude's motor and heart, but he's lost a step, he's expensive, and he's just hurt too much.

Vilma isn't a lock to come back, though it's likely. And the Saints are definitely looking for another linebacker. They have cap issues though, so it will likely come via the draft.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What do you want to bet Grilliams would be in the market for Los if our FO is really going to shop him?

hadn't thought of that but sounds reasonable