Bucs fire Coach Jon Gruden and GM Bruce Allen

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What sort of offense do you think Jon "West Coast Offense" Gruden would run here?

Too funny

[DarkKnight]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Gruden had 2 winning seasons out of the four seasons he was with the Raides (under Al Davis nonetheless). He actually had no losing seasons, going:

'98: 8-8
'99: 8-8
'00: 12-4 (went to AFC Championship)
'01: 10-6 (lost to NE in the "Tuck" game in the playoffs

Yes, he took Tony Dungy's team in 2002 to the Superbowl (with a 12-4 record), but Bill Callahan took Gruden's team to the Superbowl as well.

Gruden actually had two losing seasons with "Tony Dungy's team" after winning the Superbowl....so I don't think your theory of riding Dungy's team holds much. He has had 4 winning seasons out of the seven seasons he's been with Tampa Bay. Making it six winning seasons, five division crowns, five playoff appearances and one Superbowl in 11 years. So yeah, he's overrated and sucks.

What did he do, after he took Dungy team to the playoff's again, not a got-damn thing.. i dont give a shit about his Raiders accomplishments if thats what you wanna call it!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

He already did that last year. Z is there because everyone else laughed in Danny's face.

Stupid ass comment from stupid ass people. This stuff is old and if its all you can post about go to a Dallas site. Just some where else.

[44ever]

Unless they're constructive, the Danny, Zorn and Vinny comments gotta go.

[DarkKnight]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Unless they're constructive, the Danny, Zorn and Vinny comments gotta go.

Do they? People earn the right to make any comment they want dick head? go pull it out of your ass and stop sounding like the boards bitch by complaining so damn much........Pus

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DarkKnight

Do they? People earn the right to make any comment they want dick head? go pull it out of your ass and stop sounding like the boards bitch by complaining so damn much........Pus

Last warning

[Hog1]

How does it go? Maybe it was firstdown?

I love internet tough guys!

[birdz4gibbs]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I hope people aren't serious in suggesting that Gruden would even consider going back to Oakland.

i wouldn,t rule it out......anythings possible nowadays...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Last warning

forget it he's done

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

forget it he's done

I know

I figured you'd like the honors of banning a superhero though

[A10sROCK]

I think the Shannahan and Gruden firings show that there are other owners who have time limits on their coaches. You'll see Gruden going somewhere else as a HC unless he wants a year off. I was surprised he never really tackled the QB problem at the Bucs and kept ending up with veteran, journeyman QB's.

BTW - I see Zorn going three years here, unless he has terrible season next year (like less than 4 wins).

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

forget it he's done

Thank you.

[firstdown]

Is he really that good of a coach? Ok he won a SB his first year in Tampa but who put that team together? Not Gruden. That was in 2002 and he has been back to the playoffs twice sense then with no wins. Other than his SB year he is way under 50% in wins in the playoffs. People say he has not had alot of talent to work with but why does he get a pass on this because I'm sure he had input on the players drafted or signed in the past 7 years. One could argue that they have gone backwards ever sense he took over in 2002. As a coach in Tampa he is just a 50% win coach and if you add in his Okland years he is just above 55% winning record. Maybe I'm over looking something here but just because the guy is aways fired up and seems to be so intense does not make him a great coach. Not saying he is a bad coach but He is far from a great coach. Here are his stats. Jon Gruden Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Maybe I'm over looking something here but just because the guy is aways fired up and seems to be so intense does not make him a great coach.

Well, that seems to be what I am hearing and reading. I can imagine Gruden's "intensity" kinda wears thin after a while. If you got only one gear when it comes to coaching, I think players start to tune him out. Not only that, I imagine he would start to get a rep around the league as players move around. I am betting in his next gig, he gets "tuned out" pretty quick.

I wouldn't want Gruden here, BUT, he would just feed Danny's "Let's try something different this year" hunger.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Is he really that good of a coach? Ok he won a SB his first year in Tampa but who put that team together? Not Gruden. That was in 2002 and he has been back to the playoffs twice sense then with no wins. Other than his SB year he is way under 50% in wins in the playoffs. People say he has not had alot of talent to work with but why does he get a pass on this because I'm sure he had input on the players drafted or signed in the past 7 years. One could argue that they have gone backwards ever sense he took over in 2002. As a coach in Tampa he is just a 50% win coach and if you add in his Okland years he is just above 55% winning record. Maybe I'm over looking something here but just because the guy is aways fired up and seems to be so intense does not make him a great coach. Not saying he is a bad coach but He is far from a great coach. Here are his stats. Jon Gruden Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com

The Tampa Bay team that Gruden took to the SB in 2002 may not have been his team, but the Raider team that Callahan took to the SB that same year was Gruden's. I don't think he's a great coach, but I don't think he's bad either. I posted this earlier about his 11 years as HC:

"He has had 4 winning seasons out of the seven seasons he's been with Tampa Bay. Making it six winning seasons, five division crowns, five playoff appearances and one Superbowl in 11 years."