Questions that might effect the DRAFT

[Daseal]

I also would like to ignore a lineman with our first overall pick. I know our lines are in shambles, but unless you're taking an LT -- the 13th pick is too early for an offensive lineman, and defensive guys scare the hell out of me. I've heard people on this board screaming for this DE or that DE (myself included) and when you look back -- that player did jack squat in the NFL. DEs have one of the highest bust rates in the NFL.

I must say, a stud LB would be a nice choice there. McIntosh is iffy, Washington is nearly done, and Fletch has been an absolute monster -- but he doesn't have a ton of time left.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I also would like to ignore a lineman with our first overall pick. I know our lines are in shambles, but unless you're taking an LT -- the 13th pick is too early for an offensive lineman, and defensive guys scare the hell out of me. I've heard people on this board screaming for this DE or that DE (myself included) and when you look back -- that player did jack squat in the NFL. DEs have one of the highest bust rates in the NFL.

I must say, a stud LB would be a nice choice there. McIntosh is iffy, Washington is nearly done, and Fletch has been an absolute monster -- but he doesn't have a ton of time left.

Haven't rookie linemen taken in the first round done fairly well for their teams over the past couple of years? Like Joe Thomas with the Browns, Ferguson with the Jets, and Jake Long with Miami?

[backrow]

Trade down to 18-17th in the 1st round, then trade down to 28th in the first round, then, trade down to the 2nd round. Pick up multiple picks to replace the picks we let go in trades. Or trade down one time, I don't care, just trade down, get extra picks, and always, always think DL/OL, DL/OL. We need bigger, faster, and younger on the lines!

[MeanEvilSkin]

This is a deep draft in a number of areas -- O-Line being one of those areas. While I want us to be able to move down, we may not have the opportunity with so many teams feeling they won't have to move up to get talent. We'll see. I would love to have about six picks in the 2nd round in this draft, but that's dreaming.

What I want:
Trade down in the first & pick up Duke Robinson.
Gain a 2nd round pick and nab Alex Mack.
Pick up Evander Hood in the 3rd.
Pick up Alex Boone in the 5th to play RT.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by MeanEvilSkin

This is a deep draft in a number of areas -- O-Line being one of those areas. While I want us to be able to move down, we may not have the opportunity with so many teams feeling they won't have to move up to get talent. We'll see. I would love to have about six picks in the 2nd round in this draft, but that's dreaming.

What I want:
Trade down in the first & pick up Duke Robinson.
Gain a 2nd round pick and nab Alex Mack.
Pick up Evander Hood in the 3rd.
Pick up Alex Boone in the 5th to play RT.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

Amen and amen.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I also would like to ignore a lineman with our first overall pick. I know our lines are in shambles, but unless you're taking an LT -- the 13th pick is too early for an offensive lineman, and defensive guys scare the hell out of me. I've heard people on this board screaming for this DE or that DE (myself included) and when you look back -- that player did jack squat in the NFL. DEs have one of the highest bust rates in the NFL.

I must say, a stud LB would be a nice choice there. McIntosh is iffy, Washington is nearly done, and Fletch has been an absolute monster -- but he doesn't have a ton of time left.

Ideally, in my perfect world, we trade down and get a solid offensive lineman. Someone like say...Duke Robinson. And a second round pick

I agree though that 13 is too high for any linemen really, best as I can tell from the talent in the upper echelons of the draft. That spot though is prime for a stud LB. Problem is though it probably needs to be Brian Cushing and 13 may even be too high for him. Mauluaga and Luarianitis (sp? of both) are probably better. But both are inside linebackers and it's going to be hard to convince the fans that it made sense to spend the first pick on a player who is going to (most likely) sit on the bench behind Fletcher for a year or two.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ideally, in my perfect world, we trade down and get a solid offensive lineman. Someone like say...Duke Robinson. And a second round pick

Yeah, if we could trade down to a later pick and pick up a second round pick that would be sweet.

If we traded down we could probably still find a decent OT or maybe take the best player available like Knowshon Moreno or Brian Orakpo (according to McShay's crazy mock he'll still be available)

I'm not sure our lack of pass rush is just a personel issue but our DE are getting old and c'mon Orakpo is a monster!

But in the 2nd round i would look for a Center.

Here are my reasons
- i think we have less need at Guard with Kendall and Rinehart (i'm assuming Kendall stays and the Rinehart kids gonna play)
- last year the Colts drafted 3 centers. *I'm guessing here but i think their logic is that most centers should be able to play guard, but a guard would have a more difficult time switching to center.
- Nothing against Rabach but if we could find a more stout center, one that could do a better job against the Ratliffs of the league our entire line would be
better IMO
centers: Alex Mack, Max Unger

I agree though that 13 is too high for any linemen really, best as I can tell from the talent in the upper echelons of the draft. That spot though is prime for a stud LB. Problem is though it probably needs to be Brian Cushing and 13 may even be too high for him. Mauluaga and Luarianitis (sp? of both) are probably better. But both are inside linebackers and it's going to be hard to convince the fans that it made sense to spend the first pick on a player who is going to (most likely) sit on the bench behind Fletcher for a year or two.

Rey Mauluaga is a beast i don't think he would sit if we drafted him, b/c Washington is likely gone or gonna be injured. I think RM or JL could fill in at SAM until Fletcher passes the MLB torch to them. I think Rey and Laurianitis are franchise caliber LBs and finding a place to play one of them with Fletcher and Rocky would be a good problem to have.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I also would like to ignore a lineman with our first overall pick. I know our lines are in shambles, but unless you're taking an LT -- the 13th pick is too early for an offensive lineman, and defensive guys scare the hell out of me. I've heard people on this board screaming for this DE or that DE (myself included) and when you look back -- that player did jack squat in the NFL. DEs have one of the highest bust rates in the NFL.

I must say, a stud LB would be a nice choice there. McIntosh is iffy, Washington is nearly done, and Fletch has been an absolute monster -- but he doesn't have a ton of time left.

See Ruhskins post - OL seem to be a fairly safe bet compared to other positions. You're right about DEs - very high bust factor. For that reason I think an OT would be an ideal pick at #13. (Remember Samuels was #3 overall in 2000). I think if one of the top OTs is available you have to look at him as an eventual LT even if in the first couple years he plays RT. Samuels is no spring chicken & eventually he'll start to break down more.

Someone mentioned that he could be moved to RT. I think that would be ideal in a year or two. For now he's still a solid LT when healthy.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Someone mentioned that he (Chris Samuels) could be moved to RT. I think that would be ideal in a year or two. For now he's still a solid LT when healthy.

Yes, I mentioned moving him to RT but I didn't mean to suggest that he shouldn't be playing LT. Nevertheless, we need to improve our OL now and I think that the best FA OT is Jordan Gross, who is a LT. If we were able to sign Gross, why not try to extend Chris Samuels' career by moving him to RT?

The Skins did that with Joe Jacoby when they got Jim Lachey. That worked out fine.

I also like the Idea of going after Stacy Andrews in FA. Right now, Stacy is playing RT. If we were to sign Stacy, then Chris would remain at LT.

What the heck, let's sign Gross and Andrews! Andrews might be a beast at G.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I also would like to ignore a lineman with our first overall pick. I know our lines are in shambles, but unless you're taking an LT -- the 13th pick is too early for an offensive lineman, and defensive guys scare the hell out of me. I've heard people on this board screaming for this DE or that DE (myself included) and when you look back -- that player did jack squat in the NFL. DEs have one of the highest bust rates in the NFL.

I must say, a stud LB would be a nice choice there. McIntosh is iffy, Washington is nearly done, and Fletch has been an absolute monster -- but he doesn't have a ton of time left.

LB would be a decent pickup, but there will be a lot of quality of linemen coming out this season, especially out of the Big 12 and Pac 10. Jansen is a stud, but face it he is aging and oft injured anymore. Ditto with Samuels and Thomas. If you have 80% of the present line as your starters for '09 don't expect much better results offensively. You know Jansen and the above mentioned guys will probably miss 8-14 weeks combined by being banged up, or worse.