Redskins vs. Cowboys Gameday thread

[JWsleep]

Everything in passing is predicated on having time to throw. If you have to throw quick, you can't develop the long routes, and even your short routes will be well covered--LBs can cover in zone, if it's quick. But if you have time, folks can run free. We have not seen that. It's the line!

They did push it deep a few times and TRIED to other times. Those plays often ended in sacks or throwaways. Give us one more second! A few times JC got time, and you saw nice throws--the one to ARE was the best; the throw to Moss that he dropped wasn't bad. Otherwise, JC was under duress most of the game.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Yeah, the way you adjust for poor pass protection is to throw shorter, quicker passing routes -- which is exactly what everyone is complaining about. So until they learn how to pass block, Zorn will have to get the ball out of Jason Campbell's hands as quickly as possible. And that means no deep ball.

I agree Beemy, the roll out stuff to the weak side has to be cut out, plus those lateral screen type passes. God JC almost was picked twice with those quicky horizontal screen passes. Coach needs to throw out plays altogether or tweak the WCO if it is going to work with this bunch. I can't just believe our veteran line all of a sudden sucks eggs. I think the system has some glitches in it.

[prinzeofmoval]

We fell victim to the Brad Johnson and brady Quinn dink and dunk formula...got really predictable with the five and outs..

[53Fan]

I don't think our line sucking is "all of a sudden". I can't remember the last time I had a lot of confidence in this line. They got better toward the end of last year... but they could'nt have gotten much worse.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I don't think our line sucking is "all of a sudden". I can't remember the last time I had a lot of confidence in this line. They got better toward the end of last year... but they could'nt have gotten much worse.

I think they played well in the after the giants game early. We did beat Dallas and Philly on the road, and the Cards and Saints at home. Plus, our run game has been good--that aspect of the oline has been fine.

But they've looked bad in the last 2 games, no doubt. And they are old.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

I think they played well in the after the giants game early. We did beat Dallas and Philly on the road, and the Cards and Saints at home. Plus, our run game has been good--that aspect of the oline has been fine.

But they've looked bad in the last 2 games, no doubt. And they are old.

I agree with that. But I did'nt have confidence in them even then. You never know what you're going to get. A good line does'nt play well, once in a while. It's hard to believe in this line. Are they going to show up this week? Who Knows.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Poor line play is involved for sure, but damn our O line used to be pretty good. All of a sudden they suck?

Well, it's not all of a sudden they suck. They were good in 2005 and 2006. They were injured last year, which masked the problems...except the only difference between last year's line and this year's line is that Todd Wade isn't on the team, and Pete Kendall and Stephon Heyer have adjusted much better to our new non-Gibbs running scheme. Randy Thomas, meanwhile, has unadjusted. That's the problem, along with the fact that Rabach went from bad against the pass in 2007 to can't-block-anybody type bad in 08.

But the line isn't markedly different (or worse) than it was last year. Samuels is just hurt. That's all.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

I think they played well in the after the giants game early. We did beat Dallas and Philly on the road, and the Cards and Saints at home. Plus, our run game has been good--that aspect of the oline has been fine.

But they've looked bad in the last 2 games, no doubt. And they are old.

Don't count out the two main factors here:

1) Campbell has bailed out the OL many, many times in the past, but not so much the last two games.

2) Teams who blitz Campbell generally get burned.

The Steelers got to us a lot with 5, and generally confused Campbell. Meanwhile, the Cowboys just covered all options down the field and forced Campbell to run or eat the ball. When Campbell's really getting whacked a lot, you can see that he still is confused on some of his more advanced reads. Actually, that's a problem for most quarterbacks. Campbell still has unbelievable pocket presence for someone his age, and his decision making when he's getting killed is usually less than ideal, but normally, it doesn't result in INTs, and that's what separates him from the pack.

[GusFrerotte]

GTripp,

What do you think about Zorn tweaking the playbook some? Those screen type out patterns are very dangerous and god those roll outs to the weak side are going to get JC killed!!!!!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

GTripp,

What do you think about Zorn tweaking the playbook some? Those screen type out patterns are very dangerous and god those roll outs to the weak side are going to get JC killed!!!!!

No reason to nitpick the playcalling. We're getting little to no help for Jason Campbell in the passing game. Even the screens are errant passes.

Getting Campbell away from the interior line is not a bad idea, but I agree that you don't want to cut the field in half too often.

[johnerotten]

you're a raving lunatic.

that's part of the qualifications for a washington redskins fan is'nt it?they drive me nuts every week.i can't speak for others though.

[thomasfan31]

Fairweather fan is just not appropriate for SEASONTICKETHOLDER! You are just NOT a fan! you are so damn negative!

[skinsfan_nn]

Well that was a hard pill to eat last pm! As the old saying goes it all starts up front. It did the first drive and then, well you know the rest.

Our pass pro is awful, no slack the front five are all guilty of horrible play its not one player, they all need a good look in the mirror. And defensively our ends couldn't get to a QB if there life depended on it. Very disappointed in the rushing or lack there of. The opponents in this case homo is in the pocket having a picnic and we just can't get there? I just don't get what has happened to AC/JT I understand is coming of injury but is supposed to be healthy, Evans. CAN ANYBODY SACK A QB?

Couple of nice picks Hall, Rocky, then can't capitalize, not a single point.

Great effort and game ball to CP I could not believe when I was watching him on the field for warm ups, unreal heart....this guy is a true warrior/REDSKIN! And had a solid game.

Turd of the day= Thanks Springs for HAVING to be 100% to play a fcking ball game in the NFL! Glad everyone else that plays this game doesn't live to you godly standards OR we would never have this great sport to go watch.

The FANS did there part, the 12th man was alive and very vocal! There was by no means any repeat of the burg game! THE REDSKIN RAGS WHERE FLYING HIGH!

Well this one is in the books, so we are what we are....? It appears to me looking at the standings we need to finish winning 5 of the next 6 to have a chance of any type of playoff action. Hope we get are act together quickly starting in Seattle.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Couple of nice picks Hall, Rocky, then can't capitalize, not a single point.

Points off turnovers is about as telling as a conventional stat gets, maybe outside of yards per pass attempt. And we've been terrible in it this season. Usually, it's on the defense, but on Monday we forced two turnovers, and still couldn't get a FG.

This is a great point you bring up and something that's totally underpublicized. The defense DID come through in the first half at least, and the offense didn't do anything with those sudden change opportunities.

[757SkinsGirl]

For my first time going to a game, (and it was Skins/Cowboys! C'mon!) and going through a sub-par (now we know) travel agency, I have to say, the most fun I had was in the parking lot. Unbeknownst to us (as we didn't have tix in hand until after the tailgait), we had THE WORST view from section 215...



...we did manage to enjoy ourselves. I mean, it was the Redskins after all, but next time, we know better.