Redskins vs. Cowboys Gameday thread

[theJBexperience]

It's been a while since we've looked this bad coming off a bye week. I'm thinking back to when Spurrier had two weeks to prep for the Cowgirls, and we did absolutely nothing. This is eerily reminiscent.

[SeasonTicketHolder]

I really don't want to see all the damn cowboy fans come back now after this. They disappeared for 2 months after we beat them in dallas.

[53Fan]

I'm sitting here listening to Rabach say the problem is execution. Not play calling but execution. Is'nt that what you pay the players for... execution? I'm so freakin tired of listening to guys like him saying, we know what the problem is, we just need to execute better. WTF are they waiting for!? Hell, I can learn the plays!!! I can't execute them either...why don't they give me a fatass contract!!!?

[GTripp0012]

Last year on tape, I noticed that Jason Fabini had filled in for Randy Thomas with basically no dropoff. Yes, in the last two years, we've given extensions to Thomas and Jansen very foolishly, but I don't think it would hurt to go to Rinehart or Fabini at RG.

Of course, you can't have Rinehart and Heyer on the right side because that would be a disaster waiting to happen for creative DCs. So if Zorn wants to stick with Jansen at T, it may be time to change the Guard.

I don't see what Casey Rabach is giving us that any piece of trash Center off the street couldn't. What's so horrible about Geisinger that he can't give up two sacks to a nose tackle like Rabach did.

[Gtothearry]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketHolder

I really don't want to see all the damn cowboy fans come back now after this. They disappeared for 2 months after we beat them in dallas.

Ohhh, and u know it's gonna happen. Im surprised I haven't heard anything from Boys fans. I didn't hear anything from them after Sept. 28th. However, u know they will come out of the woodwork again.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I sitting here listening to Rabach say the problem is execution. Not play calling but execution. Is'nt that what you pay the players for... execution? I'm so freakin tired of listening to guys like him saying, we know what the problem is, we just need to execute better. WTF are they waiting for!? Hell, I can learn the plays!!! I can't execute them either...why don't they give me a fatass contract!!!?

Well, good players execute more often than bad players do. That's the only difference.

Rabach still has value in the running game, but is that the type of team we want to be?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Campbell and our recievers were playing great earlier, but in both of the last two games, they haven't produced in the way we need them to against either Pittsburgh or Dallas.

And the pass protection is totally abysmal. It's getting to the point where if you load up the box and take away the run against the Redskins, there's simply no time to get Moss behind the defense.

Look, either Zorn's serious about fixing this protection and we can get to 11 or 12 wins, or he's not serious about it, we limp to 10 wins and we're at the mercy of the tiebreaker system. This team does A LOT of things very well, but a few things it absolutely can't do are killing the offense.

Don't forget that Randle El's injury came at the worst possible time. Devin Thomas isn't an NFL receiver, James Thrash is very close to not being an NFL receiver, and there's just nothing behind them. We're a very talented team with major flaws. The flaws can absolutely be corrected, but I no longer think the offensive issues will correct themselves. We need to remove the players who just can't play at this level (Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Devin Thomas) from the offensive gameplan. Only then can the Redskins allow Portis, Campbell, Moss, and Cooley to flourish.

Well who do you suggest we bring in for Rabach, RT and DT? Once the season starts there really isn't much you can do. The back ups are back ups for a reason. The personel changes can't be made until the off season.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I want to cry.

Would that make you Boo-hooskin?

I feel your pain. Losing sucks such terrible ass.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I'm sitting here listening to Rabach say the problem is execution. Not play calling but execution. Is'nt that what you pay the players for... execution? I'm so freakin tired of listening to guys like him saying, we know what the problem is, we just need to execute better. WTF are they waiting for!? Hell, I can learn the plays!!! I can't execute them either...why don't they give me a fatass contract!!!?

The problem is Dallas' d-line just played better than our o-line. You can't execute when the guy across from you is kicking your ass. Ratliff was just better than Rabach. Let's give Dallas some credit. They played a little better than we did.

[Gtothearry]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The problem is Dallas' d-line just played better than our o-line. You can't execute when the guy across from you is kicking your ass. Ratliff was just better than Rabach. Let's give Dallas some credit. They played a little better than we did.

The problem is this is happening every week. I hate the skins lost another game because they left to many plays on the field.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Couldn't say it better if I tried. The exact precise reason why we're not winning. We don't force turnovers or pressure the QB. That starts with D-line. O-line has been good run blockers, but they suck something awful in pass pro.

Neglecting the line scrimmage on both sides of the ball in the draft over the years has us where we are today. Mediocre at best.

Well put GMScud! I was brought up believing games are won or lost in the trenches. We need to make some changes like drafting guys like Alex Mack from California next year instead of constantly going for "skill" positions that don't do us anygood because we can't protect worth a crap!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The problem is Dallas' d-line just played better than our o-line. You can't execute when the guy across from you is kicking your ass. Ratliff was just better than Rabach. Let's give Dallas some credit. They played a little better than we did.

They did. Dallas won this game on the trenches on the ground. I tend to think they won it more on the outside in the air, but we're a ground team first, and Dallas beat us at what we like to do. That was the first problem right there.

[JWsleep]

Listening to Zorn's presser, he basically called it correctly: the game was determined by the fact that they could get to our QB and we couldn't get to theirs.

He said that several deep plays (including an "easy TD to Thomas") were killed by pressure. He claimed that it's tough or JC if he has no time. But he noted a few plays (like the incomplete 4th down) where JC should have gone to another receiver. All this is pretty obvious, no doubt.

I went into this year thinking we're an 8-8 team that could be a WC if we play well and could be below 6 wins if we play poorly or have killer injuries. Let's get it turned around next week in Seattle. If we win there, it's 7-4 and home for the gints. It's clearly a must win next week--but thank god it's not the national night game!

At this point, we're going to have to dance with the date we came in with--I don't see the possibility of a big change on the o-line. Let's hope they can patch it up: Buges has worked miracles before. Thomas looked better today, IMO. Yes, he had the big 3rd down drop (thought he got held on that play, personally), but he made some plays. Kelley is the guy who needs to step up now, especially if ARE is hurt. It's time, kid. It would certainly be nice to see Davis, but that's less important right now.

Anyone who calls these guys busts is premature. Zorn is clearly not at all comfortable with folks who can't run the precise routes and Buges doesn't want a rookie TE to blow a blocking scheme. Those guys are learning. It's ok to bring them along slowly, IMO.

And those of you who think JC is a bust, I just don't see it. With time, he's shown he can make the plays. Even in this game, his mobility allowed a lot of stuff to happen. He also AUDIBLED to the QB draw--nice. And if Santana fucking Moss could have caught the ball, we might have won the game. That was a 50 yard pass that hit our #1 WR IN THE HANDS! Come on. JC is not the problem. He's not there yet, sure. But he's got the skills and under Zorn he's going to be a good one. Pass pro, everyone running the precise routes, and JC getting completely fluid on his 2nd and 3rd reads, and we'll be fine. Note that without O-line play, as all have correctly pointed out, it's moot.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Well put GMScud! I was brought up believing games are won or lost in the trenches. We need to make some changes like drafting guys like Alex Mack from California next year instead of constantly going for "skill" positions that don't do us anygood because we can't protect worth a crap!

Here's a possibility. They drafted for skill positions this year; they'll draft on the lines next. Plus, I wouldn't be surprised to see an FA pickup on the o-line next season (after our usual cap juggling). Who's out there?

[johnwayne]

i feel a lot of this is on Campbell also...I'm prolly gonna get smashed but i think hes a lot of the problem along with the o-line...i love this guy and been behind him the whole time... but our offense isn't getting any better and he makes weird decisions with the ball at times...I'm not convinced he's the guy and idk....go ahead and kill me...