Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement

Darrell_Green_28 · 05-20-2008, 10:04 AM

**BREAKING NEWS** was on ticker on ESPN
Owners UNANIMOUSLY vote to opt out of Agreement.

no link yet though

Schneed10 · 05-20-2008, 10:07 AM

No surprise.

Darrell_Green_28 · 05-20-2008, 10:15 AM

ESPN - NFL owners vote unanimously to opt out of labor deal - NFL

dmek25 · 05-20-2008, 10:30 AM

i really cant believe they agreed to that in the first place. probably doing the new commissioner a favor

SmootSmack · 05-20-2008, 10:48 AM

This thread title tells us nothing. Changing it.

freddyg12 · 05-20-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i really cant believe they agreed to that in the first place. probably doing the new commissioner a favor

I always thought they made that deal in haste to save the season & because the nflpa had them right where they wanted them.

riggins44 · 05-20-2008, 12:19 PM

From what I've heard, it will be at least 3 yrs before possible strike.

JoeRedskin · 05-20-2008, 12:30 PM

As I recall, although 2010 would be uncapped - it would not be manna from heaven for the players. In fact, I think the last years of the deal had some rather draconian measures that would negatively affect the players in order to encourage them to accept some form of salary cap.

BleedBurgundy · 05-20-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As I recall, although 2010 would be uncapped - it would not be manna from heaven for the players. In fact, I think the last years of the deal had some rather draconian measures that would negatively affect the players in order to encourage them to accept some form of salary cap.

yeah, something to do with limiting which players would technically be "free agents" and making it much easier for teams to keep their marque players.

Rajmahal33 · 05-20-2008, 02:48 PM

This is an area of sports that I'm not that familiar with...Why does the players union expect to get an even larger chunk of the revenue (according to the comments in the article) when the owners were the ones who terminated the contracts? Also, it would seem that if something was unanimously agreed upon to be terminated, it was never really that reasonable in the first place. Why didn't they write into the deal an opportunity to rework it (with mutual consent of both sides) without terminating it or letting it expire? That way you can avoid leaving the shelter of the contract at any given time.

JoeRedskin · 05-20-2008, 03:34 PM

Changes in 2010 (the uncapped year) if no new agreement is reached (per P. King at The owners opted out of the labor deal at the best time possible - Peter King - SI.com)

FREE AGENCY: Currently, players who are unsigned and have finished at least four NFL seasons are free. In the 2010 market, players will be free if they are unsigned after at least their sixth NFL season. In other words, 2009 would have to be a player's sixth season, and he would have to enter 2010 unsigned. Let's use Cleveland wide receiver Braylon Edwards as an example. In his original rookie contract, signed in 2005, the final year is 2009, which would be his fifth NFL season. Ordinarily, he'd be a free-agent in 2010 -- if the team didn't sign him before then or place a franchise tag on him. But under the 2010 rules, he won't be a free-agent.

MORE RESTRICTIONS VIA FRANCHISE AND TRANSITION TAGS: Each team now can use one franchise-player tag and one transition-player tag -- which pay the tagged player, respectively, the average of the top five and top 10 salaries at his position. In 2010, the revised deal would allow each team the use of a second transition tag. If a team chose to use all its tags, it could stop its best three players from hitting the unrestricted free-agent market.

RESTRICTIONS FOR THE TOP EIGHT TEAMS IN FOOTBALL: If the uncapped year is reached, the teams with the best eight records in football in 2009 will be severely restricted from jumping into the pool. It's still not precisely determined how the system would work, but let's say the Patriots are one of the top eight and want to sign a free-agent to a five-year, $20-million contract. They'd have to lose their own player or players to contracts totaling $20 million before they could sign the free agent they want. Conceptually, that's how this clause in the deal is going to work, but the exact mechanics of it are not clear yet. The purpose is very clear: The best teams are going to have tight leashes in free agency.

All told, teams would be able to protect more players with tags, and would have fewer free agents because of the six-year rule, and the best eight teams would be playing with one hand tied behind their back.

70Chip · 05-20-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

This is an area of sports that I'm not that familiar with...Why does the players union expect to get an even larger chunk of the revenue (according to the comments in the article) when the owners were the ones who terminated the contracts? Also, it would seem that if something was unanimously agreed upon to be terminated, it was never really that reasonable in the first place. Why didn't they write into the deal an opportunity to rework it (with mutual consent of both sides) without terminating it or letting it expire? That way you can avoid leaving the shelter of the contract at any given time.

I expect that once it became clear that there were enough votes to terminate the deal (9 owners I believe?) everyone voted unanimously in order to present a unified front to the players for negotiating purposes.

If the owners want to unring this bell, they will have to be willing to endure a strike or initiate a lockout. The Union seems convinced that they are unstoppable. Once some of these guys miss a few paychecks, though, Upshaw will find himself in a different position. He is not Donald Fehr. The NFLPA has been put in its place before and it may be time to do it again.

firstdown · 05-20-2008, 04:23 PM

I'm not up on all this stuff but with the money that these players make now days I wounder how strong they can hold together a strike. You have the lower paid players which need their checks and higher paid players that will take the biggest income hit from a strike. So then I feel you only have the guys somewhere in the middle which might be willing to hold out longer.

MrJL · 05-20-2008, 04:31 PM

Get the replacement players ready.

skinsfan69 · 05-20-2008, 04:50 PM

In the end the owners always have the advantage. They're already rich. Eventually the players will have to cave in to the owners demands.

05-20-2008, 10:04 AM	#1
Darrell_Green_28 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Robert, Louisiana Age: 57 Posts: 2,119	Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement BREAKING NEWS was on ticker on ESPN Owners UNANIMOUSLY vote to opt out of Agreement. no link yet though __________________ Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. - Alan Dundes

05-20-2008, 10:07 AM	#2
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement No surprise. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

05-20-2008, 10:15 AM	#3
Darrell_Green_28 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Robert, Louisiana Age: 57 Posts: 2,119	Re: Labor Agreement (UPDATED W/LINK) ESPN - NFL owners vote unanimously to opt out of labor deal - NFL __________________ Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. - Alan Dundes

05-20-2008, 10:30 AM	#4
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement i really cant believe they agreed to that in the first place. probably doing the new commissioner a favor __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

05-20-2008, 10:48 AM	#5
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement This thread title tells us nothing. Changing it. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

05-20-2008, 12:19 PM	#7
riggins44 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Yorktown, VA Posts: 148	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement From what I've heard, it will be at least 3 yrs before possible strike.

05-20-2008, 12:30 PM	#8
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement As I recall, although 2010 would be uncapped - it would not be manna from heaven for the players. In fact, I think the last years of the deal had some rather draconian measures that would negatively affect the players in order to encourage them to accept some form of salary cap. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

05-20-2008, 02:48 PM	#10
Rajmahal33 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 478	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement This is an area of sports that I'm not that familiar with...Why does the players union expect to get an even larger chunk of the revenue (according to the comments in the article) when the owners were the ones who terminated the contracts? Also, it would seem that if something was unanimously agreed upon to be terminated, it was never really that reasonable in the first place. Why didn't they write into the deal an opportunity to rework it (with mutual consent of both sides) without terminating it or letting it expire? That way you can avoid leaving the shelter of the contract at any given time. __________________ McNasty FTW!

05-20-2008, 03:34 PM	#11
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement Changes in 2010 (the uncapped year) if no new agreement is reached (per P. King at The owners opted out of the labor deal at the best time possible - Peter King - SI.com) FREE AGENCY: Currently, players who are unsigned and have finished at least four NFL seasons are free. In the 2010 market, players will be free if they are unsigned after at least their sixth NFL season. In other words, 2009 would have to be a player's sixth season, and he would have to enter 2010 unsigned. Let's use Cleveland wide receiver Braylon Edwards as an example. In his original rookie contract, signed in 2005, the final year is 2009, which would be his fifth NFL season. Ordinarily, he'd be a free-agent in 2010 -- if the team didn't sign him before then or place a franchise tag on him. But under the 2010 rules, he won't be a free-agent. MORE RESTRICTIONS VIA FRANCHISE AND TRANSITION TAGS: Each team now can use one franchise-player tag and one transition-player tag -- which pay the tagged player, respectively, the average of the top five and top 10 salaries at his position. In 2010, the revised deal would allow each team the use of a second transition tag. If a team chose to use all its tags, it could stop its best three players from hitting the unrestricted free-agent market. RESTRICTIONS FOR THE TOP EIGHT TEAMS IN FOOTBALL: If the uncapped year is reached, the teams with the best eight records in football in 2009 will be severely restricted from jumping into the pool. It's still not precisely determined how the system would work, but let's say the Patriots are one of the top eight and want to sign a free-agent to a five-year, $20-million contract. They'd have to lose their own player or players to contracts totaling $20 million before they could sign the free agent they want. Conceptually, that's how this clause in the deal is going to work, but the exact mechanics of it are not clear yet. The purpose is very clear: The best teams are going to have tight leashes in free agency. All told, teams would be able to protect more players with tags, and would have fewer free agents because of the six-year rule, and the best eight teams would be playing with one hand tied behind their back. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

05-20-2008, 04:23 PM	#13
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 61 Posts: 15,817	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement I'm not up on all this stuff but with the money that these players make now days I wounder how strong they can hold together a strike. You have the lower paid players which need their checks and higher paid players that will take the biggest income hit from a strike. So then I feel you only have the guys somewhere in the middle which might be willing to hold out longer.

05-20-2008, 04:31 PM	#14
MrJL Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 116	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement Get the replacement players ready.

05-20-2008, 04:50 PM	#15
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,453	Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement In the end the owners always have the advantage. They're already rich. Eventually the players will have to cave in to the owners demands.

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