Jason Campbell pulled his hammy

[SC Skins Fan]

I'm not going to repeat that post by quoting it, but that is totally uncalled for, I'd suggest you edit that right away.

[DiehardSkin88]

Dude's just trying to get under peoples skin and its working

[DiehardSkin88]

quick random question, does anyone know if we have signed any of our draft picks to a contract yet??

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by DiehardSkin88

Cambells still to young to be throwing him under the bus..

No man, that's what a lot of Redskins "fans" do. If a guy isn't great right outta the gate then he's not a good player and never will be.

[goredskins1983]

DiehardSkinsFan - I just write my thoughts but I dont call people dumbasses as you do. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Isint that what this website is for? to talk about topics.

[DiehardSkin88]

yea, and my opinion is your a dumbass haha

[goredskins1983]

lol, useless tool.

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by goredskins1983

chris140-64 just scroll through the thread to see my stance

Well, in that case, if Zorn doesnt cut it this year, you have my vote for the opening next year.

[goredskins1983]

great, nice compliment

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by goredskins1983

slingin sammy - a 77 QB rating is below average. its in the bottom third of the league. His rating was 77 the previous year which means he is showing no improvement. collins may not be the answer, but he would feel more confident in him running an offense.

and for every hasselback there is a patrick ramsey and heath shuler

So that's your comeback....QB rating & Ramsey? There are several factors in QB rating. To look at that stat alone and judge a QB, especially one with only 19 starts, is very short-sighted. Eli Manning had a 73.9 QB rating and that turned our pretty good for the Giants once he "got it" toward the end of the season / playoffs. Vince Young had a 71.1, Marc Bulger had a 70.3, should those guys be benched?

If Collins is so much better than Campbell, why did no other NFL team snatch him up in the FA market this off-season? Why did he re-sign for back-up QB $$$? You are definitely entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is wrong. I will take the opinion of Joe Gibbs, Jim Zorn and every other coach & GM in the NFL who passed on Collins as a free agent before your mis-guided one.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by goredskins1983

campbell is a deadbeat loser. his record as a starter sucks. his QB rating sucks. he throws untimely INTs (TB and Dallas games). he has shown NO improvement year to year. let me guess, you probably liked ramsey too, right? The QB position requires brains as well as skill...you put in Collins and he goes 4-1. No superbowl, but Campbell was 4-6 as a started including a win against AZ in which the Skins had 178 yards of total offense and used the D to win. wow thats great, let me tell you. I want to win now, and I want the guy who can get wins. You may like a 4-6 record, and perhaps you used to be an ex Lions or ex Cardinals fan? lucky for you, there was a coaching change, else, Gibbs and Saunders would have kept Collins as a starter for next year.

I usually respect everyone's opinions and debate with it if my opinions happen to be different.. But I always think that nobody has right to put football players down, especially when that person does not have great knowledge about football..

You are right, Campbell did blow some games but he also won some games for us.. Everyone have their good and bad days including during the gamedays.. You said that Campbell is not smart? I find that very hard to believe, along with some people's facts they just posted to prove you wrong in this thread, if Campbell is not smart as you claimed - then tell me this, how did he managed to survive with 7 different offense system in 8 years? (I believe the numbers are right? If it's not, I'm pretty sure that the number is close to correct number.) It is VERY difficult to learn different offense every year, and I believe Campbell handled it very well.. Please, next time before you start talking shit about someone, think it out and find all facts before you start say something..

I do understand your "anger", as Redskins haven't been exactly great team lately.. But dude, we were great in 80's; every team will have their turn to shine.. You cannot expect a team to be GREAT for years and years, perhaps unless you have same coach for years.. But this does not give you a right to lash out on players who you have not spend time to get to know them. Chill out dude!

[prinzeofmoval]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Are you serious with Big Ben and Phillip Rivers? Tom Brady, is an exception because at the time NE didn't have a very good running game. But as for the other 2 they only passed when they had to they both relied on their teams running game. I mean Ben had games in his first year where he only had 9 or 10 attempts in a game. Tell me a game where Ben or Rivers put the team on his back and won the game through the air. I am pretty sure that you can't. Because either the other teams shut down the running game or it was the running game that won it for Ben or Rivers...

Its about the system and how quickly one can adapt. Ben beat both the SuperBowl teams two weeks straight Eagles and Patriots whom both had one loss between them at the time and only loss in one start that season before losing in the playoffs.After his Superbowl season he started every game except the season opener (missed after having appendectomy)…broke the team single-game record for completions as he posted 38 against Denver…his 433 yards passing against Denver were the second-highest total in team history…finished the season with a career-best 3,513 passing yards with 18 touchdowns.It wasn't Jerome Bettis or the defense that got him there because if so what happened when Maddox and Batch start? As for Rivers do you not remember that herioc drive vs Seattle his first starting season? Last play of the game was a pass to Vincent Jackson in the back of the endzone. Also if it wasn't for an injured knee he would've taking out the Patriots in the Afc Championship. Phillip Rivers is 25-7 as a starter..what other stats you need?

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

Its about the system and how quickly one can adapt. Ben beat both the SuperBowl teams two weeks straight Eagles and Patriots whom both had one loss between them at the time and only loss in one start that season before losing in the playoffs.After his Superbowl season he started every game except the season opener (missed after having appendectomy)…broke the team single-game record for completions as he posted 38 against Denver…his 433 yards passing against Denver were the second-highest total in team history…finished the season with a career-best 3,513 passing yards with 18 touchdowns.It wasn't Jerome Bettis or the defense that got him there because if so what happened when Maddox and Batch start? As for Rivers do you not remember that herioc drive vs Seattle his first starting season? Last play of the game was a pass to Vincent Jackson in the back of the endzone. Also if it wasn't for an injured knee he would've taking out the Patriots in the Afc Championship. Phillip Rivers is 25-7 as a starter..what other stats you need?

So the running game that both teams have did nothing for them? You mean to tell me that if you take away Tomlinson and Pittsburgh running attack that Rivers and Ben are on the same level as Brady and Manning? I don't believe it. I am not saying that they are bad QB's, but what I am trying to say is that they fell into teams with a good system in place...

[prinzeofmoval]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

So the running game that both teams have did nothing for them? You mean to tell me that if you take away Tomlinson and Pittsburgh running attack that Rivers and Ben are on the same level as Brady and Manning? I don't believe it. I am not saying that they are bad QB's, but what I am trying to say is that they fell into teams with a good system in place...

Like the message started out the are in a system they were able to adapt to. L.T. is the best back in the league of course it helped having him back there. Yet it does matter about the Qb also. Matt Leinart(whom I love dearly as a passionate U.S.C. fan) fell into a perfect system where he shouldv'e rocked yet he's getting rocked, lets face it leinart grabbed way more press into the draft then Ben and Phillip. Its how well you adapt and work your skill.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

So that's your comeback....QB rating & Ramsey? There are several factors in QB rating. To look at that stat alone and judge a QB, especially one with only 19 starts, is very short-sighted. Eli Manning had a 73.9 QB rating and that turned our pretty good for the Giants once he "got it" toward the end of the season / playoffs. Vince Young had a 71.1, Marc Bulger had a 70.3, should those guys be benched?

If Collins is so much better than Campbell, why did no other NFL team snatch him up in the FA market this off-season? Why did he re-sign for back-up QB $$$? You are definitely entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is wrong. I will take the opinion of Joe Gibbs, Jim Zorn and every other coach & GM in the NFL who passed on Collins as a free agent before your mis-guided one.

Well if I was a backup QB who knew the QB in front of me couldn't cut the mustard I would sign on, especially with a team and players I already know, Collins doesn't have a whole lot of time, our situation is probably his best shot, to start up somewhere new at his age would be very difficult.