Overall Draft Grade for the Redskins

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There are so many flaws with this argument that it's not worth wasting time responding to, so I hope no one does.

DC52 does bring up some valid points.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

DC52 does bring up some valid points.

Fine. Let's take a look at some of the flaws in his argument

No wonder the redskins never draft: we suck at it.

Yeah we have a history of making such horrible decisioins when we draft. Even the biggest haters know that's not true

I'll admit Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly were decent picks but what the heck do we need Fred Davis for we have Cooley and Yoder (who makes some pretty good catches in the clutch).

OK, so then what do we need Thomas and Kelly for if we have Moss, El, Thrash, Mix? Which is it? I agree Fred Davis was a bit of a head scratcher but hardly a terrible pick. As for picking DEs, maybe but at that point we don't take one just to take one.

We had depth issues at linebacker that were not addressed. We could have gotten Marcus Howard, who is versitile enough to play linebacker and defensive end (almost an exact clone of Marcus Washington) but instead we trade away our fifth round pick and Indy snags him.

We had depth issues at several positions, and addressed plenty of them. Marcus Howard is fine, but we have Chris Wilson who is versatile enough to play both positions.

Why would we go with Chad Rinehart of N. Iowa when Mike McGlynn was still availible. McGlynn brings more experience from playing better opponents in the Big East than Rinehart who played in some community college division at Northern Iowa.

McGlynn's better because he's from a bigger program?

We wasted a pick on a punter when Derrick Frost did a tremendous job this season.

Yeah I think the pick was probably a bit high, but Frost was hardly tremendous

I agree with the selection of Colt Brennan. We definately could use a young backup quarterback (especially one like Brennan who, unlike Campbell doesn't throw late game interceptions that causes us to lose).

And the irony is he tops it all off by praising the Brennan move while taking a shot at Campbell.

This draft wasn't perfect, but awful?? No way

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Fine. Let's take a look at some of the flaws in his argument



Yeah we have a history of making such horrible decisioins when we draft. Even the biggest haters know that's not true



OK, so then what do we need Thomas and Kelly for if we have Moss, El, Thrash, Mix? Which is it? I agree Fred Davis was a bit of a head scratcher but hardly a terrible pick. As for picking DEs, maybe but at that point we don't take one just to take one.



We had depth issues at several positions, and addressed plenty of them. Marcus Howard is fine, but we have Chris Wilson who is versatile enough to play both positions.



McGlynn's better because he's from a bigger program?



Yeah I think the pick was probably a bit high, but Frost was hardly tremendous



And the irony is he tops it all off by praising the Brennan move while taking a shot at Campbell.

This draft wasn't perfect, but awful?? No way

Let me ask you this. Do you think Pioli of NE, or Polian of Indy would offer basically 2 #1's for Chad Johnson? Or draft 2 young wr's back to back when you've already got a lot of $ tied up in two other guys? Or draft a TE in the second round when you've already got a pro bowl TE and you have a major need at DE? And Brennan was just a waste. No way do you even waste time on him. I mean some of these moves Vinny is making really is making me wonder. I don't think we had an awful draft. I just think it could've been so much better.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Let me ask you this. Do you think Pioli of NE, or Polian of Indy would offer basically 2 #1's for Chad Johnson? Or draft 2 young wr's back to back when you've already got a lot of $ tied up in two other guys? Or draft a TE in the second round when you've already got a pro bowl TE and you have a major need at DE? And Brennan was just a waste. No way do you even waste time on him. I mean some of these moves Vinny is making really is making me wonder. I don't think we had an awful draft. I just think it could've been so much better.

It sounds like we drafted based on the "best player available" philosophy. I think most GMs would agree that, in the long run, that's the best way to build a top notch franchise. Thomas, Kelly, Davis, and Brennan all appear to have been great values. I too wish we had drafted more linemen, but it's hard to take serious issue with the bpa philosophy.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

It sounds like we drafted based on the "best player available" philosophy. I think most GMs would agree that, in the long run, that's the best way to build a top notch franchise. Thomas, Kelly, Davis, and Brennan all appear to have been great values. I too wish we had drafted more linemen, but it's hard to take serious issue with the bpa philosophy.

Vinny said they definitely followed that philosophy, and yes I think most would agree that's a method that's hard to argue with.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

It sounds like we drafted based on the "best player available" philosophy. I think most GMs would agree that, in the long run, that's the best way to build a top notch franchise. Thomas, Kelly, Davis, and Brennan all appear to have been great values. I too wish we had drafted more linemen, but it's hard to take serious issue with the bpa philosophy.

That is exactly what we did and I think we had a pretty decent draft because of it. No, we didn't get any stud defense ends, but that's just how the draft worked out for us. I like the philosophy of drafting the best available position as opposed to only addressing the needs. So, overall, I give the draft a B. I'm excited to see what our receivers will do in the next few seasons, and I'm especially intrigued by Fred Davis. Could be a nice one-two punch between him and Chris Cooley.

As far as drafting for the secondary, you can never have enough depth in the secondary. The Colt Brennan pick also intrigued me. Definitely a project player. He'll be placed on injured reserve for this season, which will probably work out best for Colt. Could possibly be a very good back-up for us when Collins retires.

Besides the OL and DL, I see the Redskins getting very young very fast!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Let me ask you this. Do you think Pioli of NE, or Polian of Indy would offer basically 2 #1's for Chad Johnson? Or draft 2 young wr's back to back when you've already got a lot of $ tied up in two other guys? Or draft a TE in the second round when you've already got a pro bowl TE and you have a major need at DE? And Brennan was just a waste. No way do you even waste time on him. I mean some of these moves Vinny is making really is making me wonder. I don't think we had an awful draft. I just think it could've been so much better.

Well, bottom line I wish those who have issues with the picks could address the way you did in your last two lines there. To say we had an awful draft is quite frankly, retarded, stupid, idiotic, moronic, dumb, etc.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, bottom line I wish those who have issues with the picks could address the way you did in your last two lines there. To say we had an awful draft is quite frankly, retarded, stupid, idiotic, moronic, dumb, etc.

I agree. We've added some guys who hopefully will help us put more points on the board and that's been the problem around here.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

DC52 does bring up some valid points.

like what?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

like what?

I'm OK with drafting Davis if they think he's going to be a good player. From what I saw he sure looked good at USC. But let's be real. First, this guy is not going to be an everydown player for us. With that pick we could've perhaps got a DE to walk in and start right away. And two we've already got pro bowl TE. So that limits Davis' playing time. I like the player but I just don't see him being a need for us. Makes no sense.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm OK with drafting Davis if they think he's going to be a good player. From what I saw he sure looked good at USC. But let's be real. First, this guy is not going to be an everydown player for us. With that pick we could've perhaps got a DE to walk in and start right away. And two we've already got pro bowl TE. So that limits Davis' playing time. I like the player but I just don't see him being a need for us. Makes no sense.

It makes sense if Zorn plans on using plenty of two TE sets, no?

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It makes sense if Zorn plans on using plenty of two TE sets, no?

It also makes sense if Cooley was to get hurt. If TE is made an integral part of the offense, we have to have starter quality depth at the spot. Yoder is a decent backup but just isn't that guy.

[GoSkins!]

I voted a C on the first day (really meant a c+) but I grade the whole draft as a solid B. It can't be an A because we missed picking up a DT,DE in the early rounds. If you look at the draft order, I think you see that the chips didn't fall right for us to do it. We had a chance to get the top WR in the 2nd so we did. Smart move. Merling was gone and Law was gone before our next pick. The top TE was available at that time so we took him. You could argue here that we should have taken Calias Campbell but he was not the top guy at his position so you are arguing philospohy of drafting for need vs best player available. Before the next pick, he was gone too. So we took another 1st round talent WR because the remaining DT/DE guys were 2nd/3rd round talent. From there on out we took guys we would all expect to take. Backup o-line in the third and other guys that have a chance to make the team at need positions.

Overall, 8 out of 10 picks have a good chance to make the final 53 man roster. Grade B.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It makes sense if Zorn plans on using plenty of two TE sets, no?

Yes it makes sense. Davis is a very good TE and he's going to make a difference. It just made me shake my head for a minute.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yes it makes sense. Davis is a very good TE and he's going to make a difference. It just made me shake my head for a minute.

I was surprised too initially, but after realizing he was one of the top TEs in this draft and considering Zorn will frequently be using two TE sets it made me feel a little better about it.