Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines

MonkFan4Life · 05-28-2007, 06:31 AM

Yeah I saw the interview with the "informant" talking about how the dog community is worried about Vick talking to save his ass. Funny seeing that's what this prick is doing. Now don't get me wrong IF Vick is proven to have participated in dog fighting then I say punish him for what he did and not just try to prove a point because of who he is. I found it pretty nice how when ESPN read the letter from the Mayor of California ? I could be wrong but someone out there who pretty much told the NFL if you fuck with him you don't fuck with us. Now that's innocent until proven guilty for ya! Someone made a good point. This has been played out much like the Sean Taylor situation. Whatever "evidence" there is it is played up to give the public the perception of guilt.

Hey Gus quick question. What about the O.J. trial made it a joke ?

Rajmahal33 · 05-28-2007, 08:39 AM

OJ murdered two people and got away with it...
Ray Lewis either had a direct hand in killing someone or at the very least knows who did...According to the Atlanta police their conclusion was that the man was killed but there was no murderer, they actually closed the case rather than leave it unsolved...
Kobe bryant had sex with a girl in a VERY rough manner...enough to cause her to bleed out of her orifices. Something about that doesn't seem like completely consensual sex throughout the entire deed.
I'm not saying that dogfighting isn't heinous, but in the grand scheme of things the above listed crimes are far worst than illegal dogfighting, but what was the outcome?

The moral is that if you are famous/have money or both, the legal system in this country allows for you to escape prosecution. The DA obviously doesn't have enough evidence to even charge Vick, much less win a court case. Especially after the Duke lax scandal, prosecutors are becoming more and more wary of fallacious charges or ones that won't stick and end up costing the taxpayers a ton of money, so I don't expect Vick to be charged unless something concrete surfaces out (like a paper trail NOT just conjecture). Without charges being drawn against Vick, Goodell cannot suspend him without major criticism. Sucks to be him right now cuz you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Daseal · 05-28-2007, 09:14 AM

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Kobe bryant had sex with a girl in a VERY rough manner...enough to cause her to bleed out of her orifices. Something about that doesn't seem like completely consensual sex throughout the entire deed.

I'm no Kobe fan, but that could have been any one of the what, 5 guys, she had sex with in one night?

SmootSmack · 05-28-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

OJ murdered two people and got away with it...
Ray Lewis either had a direct hand in killing someone or at the very least knows who did...According to the Atlanta police their conclusion was that the man was killed but there was no murderer, they actually closed the case rather than leave it unsolved...
Kobe bryant had sex with a girl in a VERY rough manner...enough to cause her to bleed out of her orifices. Something about that doesn't seem like completely consensual sex throughout the entire deed.
I'm not saying that dogfighting isn't heinous, but in the grand scheme of things the above listed crimes are far worst than illegal dogfighting, but what was the outcome?

The moral is that if you are famous/have money or both, the legal system in this country allows for you to escape prosecution.

Then again

Former NFL receiver Rae Carruth is doing time in prison for playing a significant role in the murder of his then-pregnant girlfriend

Former NFL running back Stanley Wilson is doing time for armed burglary (I think it was armed burglary)

Former MLB pitcher Ugueth Urbina is about to be locked up (if he's not in jail already) after being found guilty of attempted murder

and there are others

LMsexyAO · 05-28-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Then again

Former NFL receiver Rae Carruth is doing time in prison for playing a significant role in the murder of his then-pregnant girlfriend

Former NFL running back Stanley Wilson is doing time for armed burglary (I think it was armed burglary)

Former MLB pitcher Ugueth Urbina is about to be locked up (if he's not in jail already) after being found guilty of attempted murder

and there are others

Also, even if there is some truth to the theory that having money/being famous can keep you out of jail, it is certainly a double edge sword. OJ was found innocent, but he's also completely bankrupt and still in mountains of debt. Kobe was found innocent, yet how much money did he lose in endorsment deals alone? When you are a big name, just getting accused is enough to tarnish your career in a huge way.

irish · 05-28-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

If Vick is guilty of these crimes, then once he goes to prison he'll be in there for a while. And once he gets out his playing days will be long gone. Watching the video of those dogs fighting made me sick. Anyone who enjoys that sort of cruelty to animals needs help.

I totally agree. If he enjoys this type of cruelty he needs help. Vick is a PR nightmare for the NFL in general and the Falcons in particular. I have to believe that the Falcons are looking for anyway possible to distance themselves from Vick and try to avoid losing fans.

12thMan · 05-28-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

I totally agree. If he enjoys this type of cruelty he needs help. Vick is a PR nightmare for the NFL in general and the Falcons in particular. I have to believe that the Falcons are looking for anyway possible to distance themselves from Vick and try to avoid losing fans.

The unfortunate situation the Falcons are in is that Vick is bad PR but great for revenue. And I have a distinct feeling that, in today's NFL culture, the latter will give way to the former. Vick will donate money to an animal related charity, apologize....again, then proceed to run for 150 yds in the season opener and this all will be behind him.

skinsfan69 · 05-28-2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

If Vick is guilty of these crimes, then once he goes to prison he'll be in there for a while. And once he gets out his playing days will be long gone. Watching the video of those dogs fighting made me sick. Anyone who enjoys that sort of cruelty to animals needs help.

I saw the video too. That was pretty brutal stuff. Who gets off on watching two dogs rip each other apart? I don't think Vick is going to do any time for this because they just don't have enough hard evidence on him. But someone is going to go down for this.

irish · 05-29-2007, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

The unfortunate situation the Falcons are in is that Vick is bad PR but great for revenue. And I have a distinct feeling that, in today's NFL culture, the latter will give way to the former. Vick will donate money to an animal related charity, apologize....again, then proceed to run for 150 yds in the season opener and this all will be behind him.

If this was the NBA (where stars are promoted over teams) I would believe Vick could run for 150 and all would be well but this is the NFL (where teams are promoted over stars) and until the Falcons win with Vick at the helm he will remain covered with the stink from this.

Also, I'm not sure how good Vick is for revenue anymore. His star was fading before this incident and now its fading even faster.

FRPLG · 05-29-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

Without charges being drawn against Vick, Goodell cannot suspend him without major criticism. Sucks to be him right now cuz you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Oh no. No no.

Goodell has made it clear that criminal charges and guilty verdicts mean less than ever. His new personal conduct policy is meant to address people who are reflecting badly on the league. Being involved in illegal activities like this reflects badly. Goodell doesn't need any type of conviction. I will guarantee you that Vick is going to get punished when this all shakes out not matter how the criminal investigation comes down. This whole mess looks bad and that is what Goodell cares about. The whole new attitude is about these guys not putting themselves in positions where they make the league look bad even if they aren't specifically commiting crimes.

hagams · 05-29-2007, 10:50 AM

These fights are brutal, but so is the media. I'll judge Vick when/if charges are brought against him and he is convicted. Until then, he needs to keep his mind on the game. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? This guy hasn't even been charged with a crime, but everyone is already trying to run him up the flagpole. Be patient young grasshopper's.

JDALY27 · 05-29-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

OJ murdered two people and got away with it...
Ray Lewis either had a direct hand in killing someone or at the very least knows who did...According to the Atlanta police their conclusion was that the man was killed but there was no murderer, they actually closed the case rather than leave it unsolved...
Kobe bryant had sex with a girl in a VERY rough manner...enough to cause her to bleed out of her orifices. Something about that doesn't seem like completely consensual sex throughout the entire deed.
I'm not saying that dogfighting isn't heinous, but in the grand scheme of things the above listed crimes are far worst than illegal dogfighting, but what was the outcome?

The moral is that if you are famous/have money or both, the legal system in this country allows for you to escape prosecution. The DA obviously doesn't have enough evidence to even charge Vick, much less win a court case. Especially after the Duke lax scandal, prosecutors are becoming more and more wary of fallacious charges or ones that won't stick and end up costing the taxpayers a ton of money, so I don't expect Vick to be charged unless something concrete surfaces out (like a paper trail NOT just conjecture). Without charges being drawn against Vick, Goodell cannot suspend him without major criticism. Sucks to be him right now cuz you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Is it Kobe's fault that he's hung like a horse?

hesscl34 · 05-29-2007, 01:30 PM

This is the biggest bunch of crap on news today. If he did it, charge him and be done... good grief.

Hog1 · 05-29-2007, 01:39 PM

While I have not doubt that MV is guilty or tainted with it through much of the "investigation", it is a CRIME to be tried in the press to this degree. There must be some way to stop the press access to information they currently enjoy until something concrete can be offered. His situation is hardly unique, but enough is enough.

GusFrerotte · 05-29-2007, 01:53 PM

Now Goodell want a NFL Dog Fighting Resolution!!!!!!! What a frigging moron. Dogfighting is already illegal!!!!!!! Is he saying it isn't illegal for NFL players to participate in it unless there is a NFL statute saying so? I love how he has NFL Security "help" the criminal investigation out. Can you say sack the inestigation. God damn!!!!! I am thinking about switching to hockey or something. First it is the Cincy problems, now Vick, and god who knows who will be next screwing up or shooting someone. This is what happens when you give free rides to college for thugs just because they can run a 4.3 40 yard dash, or knows how to throw or catch a football. My bet is even if Vick is nailed, he will be let off scot free pretty much.

05-28-2007, 06:31 AM	#16
MonkFan4Life The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 48 Posts: 1,851	Re: Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines Yeah I saw the interview with the "informant" talking about how the dog community is worried about Vick talking to save his ass. Funny seeing that's what this prick is doing. Now don't get me wrong IF Vick is proven to have participated in dog fighting then I say punish him for what he did and not just try to prove a point because of who he is. I found it pretty nice how when ESPN read the letter from the Mayor of California ? I could be wrong but someone out there who pretty much told the NFL if you fuck with him you don't fuck with us. Now that's innocent until proven guilty for ya! Someone made a good point. This has been played out much like the Sean Taylor situation. Whatever "evidence" there is it is played up to give the public the perception of guilt. Hey Gus quick question. What about the O.J. trial made it a joke ? __________________ Catch me on YouTube ! http://www.youtube.com/user/DowntimeRB?feature=mhw5 The "punishment" by the league : "It's like getting a ticket for going too fast on a road a week ago and they changed the speed limit today"

05-28-2007, 08:39 AM	#17
Rajmahal33 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 478	Re: Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines OJ murdered two people and got away with it... Ray Lewis either had a direct hand in killing someone or at the very least knows who did...According to the Atlanta police their conclusion was that the man was killed but there was no murderer, they actually closed the case rather than leave it unsolved... Kobe bryant had sex with a girl in a VERY rough manner...enough to cause her to bleed out of her orifices. Something about that doesn't seem like completely consensual sex throughout the entire deed. I'm not saying that dogfighting isn't heinous, but in the grand scheme of things the above listed crimes are far worst than illegal dogfighting, but what was the outcome? The moral is that if you are famous/have money or both, the legal system in this country allows for you to escape prosecution. The DA obviously doesn't have enough evidence to even charge Vick, much less win a court case. Especially after the Duke lax scandal, prosecutors are becoming more and more wary of fallacious charges or ones that won't stick and end up costing the taxpayers a ton of money, so I don't expect Vick to be charged unless something concrete surfaces out (like a paper trail NOT just conjecture). Without charges being drawn against Vick, Goodell cannot suspend him without major criticism. Sucks to be him right now cuz you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. __________________ McNasty FTW!

05-29-2007, 10:50 AM	#26
hagams Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Beaufort SC Age: 46 Posts: 933	Re: Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines These fights are brutal, but so is the media. I'll judge Vick when/if charges are brought against him and he is convicted. Until then, he needs to keep his mind on the game. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? This guy hasn't even been charged with a crime, but everyone is already trying to run him up the flagpole. Be patient young grasshopper's. __________________ We are always superbowl contenders in March!!! HTTR!!!!!!!!

05-29-2007, 01:30 PM	#28
hesscl34 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Germantown, MD Posts: 2,782	Re: Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines This is the biggest bunch of crap on news today. If he did it, charge him and be done... good grief.

05-29-2007, 01:39 PM	#29
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines While I have not doubt that MV is guilty or tainted with it through much of the "investigation", it is a CRIME to be tried in the press to this degree. There must be some way to stop the press access to information they currently enjoy until something concrete can be offered. His situation is hardly unique, but enough is enough. __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

05-29-2007, 01:53 PM	#30
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines Now Goodell want a NFL Dog Fighting Resolution!!!!!!! What a frigging moron. Dogfighting is already illegal!!!!!!! Is he saying it isn't illegal for NFL players to participate in it unless there is a NFL statute saying so? I love how he has NFL Security "help" the criminal investigation out. Can you say sack the inestigation. God damn!!!!! I am thinking about switching to hockey or something. First it is the Cincy problems, now Vick, and god who knows who will be next screwing up or shooting someone. This is what happens when you give free rides to college for thugs just because they can run a 4.3 40 yard dash, or knows how to throw or catch a football. My bet is even if Vick is nailed, he will be let off scot free pretty much.

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