Brandon Lloyd is not a bust!

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by wbecker999

among the best like not in the top 50+ in ypc? that's not the best in my book. devery henderson's 22.3 blows away 15.9 and there are plenty (and i mean plenty) of others up over 17ypc.

Top five wide recievers in the league according to nfl.com

Receiving Yds
1. C. Johnson CIN 1369 YPC 15.7
2. M. Harrison IND 1366 YPC 14.4
3. R. Wayne IND 1310 YPC 15.2
4. R. Williams DET 1310 YPC 15.5
5. D. Driver GB 1295 YPC 14.1

I don't see devery hendersen in the top 5

i don't see lloyd there either. wtf is your point? those are the top 5 in yardage, not ypc, which is what you kept quoting.

and again, you're arguing opinions against facts, stats, and first hand accounts. a "because i said so" argument isn't going to change anyone's mind.

lloyd is a game breaker? since when and what do you have to smoke to think that? when has he ever broken a game? on those loser 49er teams? or how about on that great 5-11 skins team we suffered through last year?

I mean, come on. your arguments don't even make sense, and they run counter to actual facts.

bledsoe and TO? last year they were on pace for 1150 yards and 15 TDs before he got benched. and even with all the problems the raider's horrific offense had, randy moss still had a lot more production (200 more yards in 4 less games) than lloyd.

[wbecker999]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i don't see lloyd there either. wtf is your point? those are the top 5 in yardage, not ypc, which is what you kept quoting.

and again, you're arguing opinions against facts, stats, and first hand accounts. a "because i said so" argument isn't going to change anyone's mind.

lloyd is a game breaker? since when and what do you have to smoke to think that? when has he ever broken a game? on those loser 49er teams? or how about on that great 5-11 skins team we suffered through last year?

I mean, come on. your arguments don't even make sense, and they run counter to actual facts.

bledsoe and TO? last year they were on pace for 1150 yards and 15 TDs before he got benched. and even with all the problems the raider's horrific offense had, randy moss still had a lot more production (200 more yards in 4 less games) than lloyd.

you know what dick
your just to fu--king stupid to understand my points

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by wbecker999

you know what dick
your just to fu--king stupid to understand my points

Heck of a rebuttal.

Come up with something better. If you have nothing to add I'll lock down this ridiculous thread

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by wbecker999

you know what dick
your just to fu--king stupid to understand my points

what points? you have no points. it's not my fault you made a stupid thread and and took a position you can't defend.

guess what? lloyd is a bust, BECAUSE I SAID SO. that's the only point you've made, and it's pretty obvious why it's bullsh**. you can't debate on opinions, cause it's an instant stalemate, and you've provided no proof at all.

and it's nice that you're frustrated because and can't come up with a better response, but i assure you, if anyone in this thread is stupid, it's definitely not me.

[wbecker999]

Originally Posted by That Guy

what points? you have no points. it's not my fault you made a stupid thread and and took a position you can't defend.

guess what? lloyd is a bust, BECAUSE I SAID SO. that's the only point you've made, and it's pretty obvious why it's bullsh**. you can't debate on opinions, cause it's an instant stalemate, and you've provided no proof at all.

and it's nice that you're frustrated because and can't come up with a better response, but i assure you, if anyone in this thread is stupid, it's definitely not me.

I'm frustrated because I apologized about me attacking you, and tried to be civil . But you continue to attacking the way I portray my points.

Just stick to the points and quit attacking me .

to me you sound like a know it all

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by wbecker999

I'm frustrated because I apologized about me attacking you, and tried to be civil . But you continue to attacking the way I portray my points.

Just stick to the points and quit attacking me .

to me you sound like a know it all

yeah okay, you continue calling me names and you're the one being civil :P

I'm sorry you can't take criticism and seem to be confused and think that by asking if you can back up your claims with something other than opinion that you consider it as a personal attack.

see, if you're allowed to respond to my posts, i'm allowed to respond to yours. but you're the only one that's made personal attacks and can't "stick to the points" as you say.

oh yeah, apologizing then turning around and calling me a dick and ****ing stupid in no way qualify as being civil. just fyi.

[wbecker999]

Originally Posted by That Guy

yeah okay, you continue calling me names and you're the one being civil :P

I'm sorry you can't take criticism and seem to be confused and think that by asking if you can back up your claims with something other than opinion that you consider it as a personal attack.

see, if you're allowed to respond to my posts, i'm allowed to respond to yours. but you're the only one that's made personal attacks and can't "stick to the points" as you say.

oh yeah, apologizing then turning around and calling me a dick and ****ing stupid in no way qualify as being civil. just fyi.

I called you a dick because I stopped attacking you and apologized but you continued with your smart ass know it all comments.

I 'm Done trying to explain things to you so go ahead and
get your last word in ( that's what know it all's do) I'm done arguing with someone that is to ignorant to see anyone else's point or see things from a different perspective.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by wbecker999

I called you a dick because I stopped attacking you and apologized but you continued with your smart ass know it all comments.

I 'm Done trying to explain things to you so go ahead and
get your last word in ( that's what know it all's do) I'm done arguing with someone that is to ignorant to see anyone else's point or see things from a different perspective.

look, i've been asking the same thing since the first reply. please show me something that proves he's not a bust. the only thing of note anyone has said is maybe he'll be better next year. but you've shown NOTHING that disproves what a total bust he was this year, and there's not really a track record proving he'll be any good in 2007 beyond hope.

if anyone here is ignorant, i can guarantee it's you. i backed up what i said with actual evidence instead of just saying it was true "because i said so."

it's obvious you can't be civil and i'm sorry for that, but that's really not my fault, and seriously, grow up. if you can't handle logic or someone challenging your view, maybe the internet's not really your thing. I'm more than willing to see things from a different perspective, but it's gotta be reasonable in some way, and i've seen nothing of the sort from anything you've posted up to this point. There's no reason to act like a five year old about it though.

honestly, i can't believe anyone could possibly say he wasn't a bust in 2006 with that huge contract, attitude issues, and lack of production, and nothing that really shows it's anyone else's fault, but, you know, whatever.

[wbecker999]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i don't see lloyd there either. wtf is your point? those are the top 5 in yardage, not ypc, which is what you kept quoting.

and again, you're arguing opinions against facts, stats, and first hand accounts. a "because i said so" argument isn't going to change anyone's mind.

lloyd is a game breaker? since when and what do you have to smoke to think that? when has he ever broken a game? on those loser 49er teams? or how about on that great 5-11 skins team we suffered through last year?

I mean, come on. your arguments don't even make sense, and they run counter to actual facts.

bledsoe and TO? last year they were on pace for 1150 yards and 15 TDs before he got benched. and even with all the problems the raider's horrific offense had, randy moss still had a lot more production (200 more yards in 4 less games) than lloyd.

chad johnson is the best receiver in the league. he averages less yards per catch than Brandon Lloyd
how hard is that to understand.

I never claimed he had the highest yards per catch
I said his YPC is in line with the best receivers in the league
like chad johnson.

Sorry that is to hard for you to understand.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by wbecker999

chad johnson is the best receiver in the league. he averages less yards per catch than Brandon Lloyd
how hard is that to understand.

I never claimed he had the highest yards per catch
I said his YPC is in line with the best receivers in the league
like chad johnson.

Sorry that is to hard for you to understand.

and what exactly does that prove? there's 100+ WRs with crappy numbers and 15.9+ypc. i have no idea why that should mean anything at all. please enlighten me, why does it matter that a crappy WR with 350yards on the year happens to have 15.9ypc? there's guys with 700 yards and 22ypc and there are guys with 200 yards with 18ypc. that seems like a totally random and meaningless point.

so, again, why does it matter and why is it good that he has the same ypc as chad johnson when he only has 25% of the yardage, and why would it also NOT matter that other WRs with various amounts of yardage (lesser and greater) have a higher ypc?

its hard to understand cause you seem to think this is somehow important and never explain why it's significant. if he had 50 more catches, there's no guarantee at all it wouldn't drop to 8 or 9ypc.

[wbecker999]

Originally Posted by That Guy

and what exactly does that prove? there's 100+ WRs with crappy numbers and 15.9+ypc. i have no idea why that should mean anything at all. please enlighten me, why does it matter that a crappy WR with 350yards on the year happens to have 15.9ypc? there's guys with 700 yards and 22ypc and there are guys with 200 yards with 18ypc. that seems like a totally random and meaningless point.

so, again, why does it matter and why is it good that he has the same ypc as chad johnson when he only has 25% of the yardage, and why would it also NOT matter that other WRs with various amounts of yardage (lesser and greater) have a higher ypc?

its hard to understand cause you seem to think this is somehow important and never explain why it's significant. if he had 50 more catches, there's no guarantee at all it wouldn't drop to 8 or 9ypc.

Its a game of inches