Colin Cowherd Takes Another Swipe

[12thMan]

Like I've said in a couple of threads, we did finish the season 12 starters that were drafted as Redskins. How many teams can lay hold to that claim?

Not many.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Like I've said in a couple of threads, we did finish the season 12 starters that were drafted as Redskins. How many teams can lay hold to that claim?

Not many.

What 12? I count Cooley, Jansen, Samuels, Dockery, Betts, Campbell, Golston, McIntosh, Rogers, and Taylor (10). There was an article last offseason about our draft record (and how many became starters) as compared with other NFC East teams and we were in dead last.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

What 12? I count Cooley, Jansen, Samuels, Dockery, Betts, Campbell, Golston, McIntosh, Rogers, and Taylor (10). There was an article last offseason about our draft record (and how many became starters) as compared with other NFC East teams and we were in dead last.

I threw Sellers and Marshall in there too.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Like I've said in a couple of threads, we did finish the season 12 starters that were drafted as Redskins. How many teams can lay hold to that claim?

Not many.

Is that supposed to be good or bad? I don't get your point?

The only measure that matters is win/loss. I don't care if we get our players from the waiver wire. Just win baby.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Is that supposed to be good or bad? I don't get your point?

The only measure that matters is win/loss. I don't care if we get our players from the waiver wire. Just win baby.

My only point is that we have more draftees starting and playing than most in the media would lead to believe.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Is that supposed to be good or bad? I don't get your point?

The only measure that matters is win/loss. I don't care if we get our players from the waiver wire. Just win baby.

But in the event that you don't win, like this year, you then have to diagnose the problem.

Did we lose 11 games this year because we forgot to build though the draft? Of course not, that'd be a ridiculous theroy. We lost because the defense regressed to epic proportions, partially due to questionable roster moves, partially due to things that no one could have predicted.

Obviously, trading all of our picks is going to hurt our ability to rebuild cheaply in the future, but thats it.

Cowherd's just being an ass again, I wouldn't put too much stock into this.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Like I've said in a couple of threads, we did finish the season 12 starters that were drafted as Redskins. How many teams can lay hold to that claim?

Not many.

Well, like someone else said, what good are those starters when they finish 5-11?

And that's the fickle we're in -- either we have a sparse draft selection, or we tend to screw up the draft picks we do have. People will always point to Chris Cooley. He's a good player, might even be a great player someday. Problem is, he was a 2 for 1 deal. Losing a 2nd rounder for Rocky McIntosh? As far as we know, that wasn't a smart deal. If he suddenly turns it around and becomes the next Antonio Pierce, fine. But can we say with any certainty that's going to happen?

Ask yourself this: Are we headed in the right direction? Do you believe our strategy for acquiring players has worked?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, like someone else said, what good are those starters when they finish 5-11?

And that's the fickle we're in -- either we have a sparse draft selection, or we tend to screw up the draft picks we do have. People will always point to Chris Cooley. He's a good player, might even be a great player someday. Problem is, he was a 2 for 1 deal. Losing a 2nd rounder for Rocky McIntosh? As far as we know, that wasn't a smart deal. If he suddenly turns it around and becomes the next Antonio Pierce, fine. But can we say with any certainty that's going to happen?

Ask yourself this: Are we headed in the right direction? Do you believe our strategy for acquiring players has worked?

Don't get me wrong, I agree with everything being said here.

My only is, the media tends to strike a tone that the Redskins have all FA starting on both sides of the ball.

The focus tends to be on that particular organizational failure, which is a legitimate one, but you rarely hear about the homegrown talent we do have.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Don't get me wrong, I agree with everything being said here.

My only is, the media tends to strike a tone that the Redskins have all FA starting on both sides of the ball.

The focus tends to be on that particular organizational failure, which is a legitimate one, but you rarely hear about the homegrown talent we do have.

On defense, the entire starting defensive line are not original Redskin draftees. Golston and Montgomery are back-ups. In fact, this organization hasn't drafted a defensive lineman that plays with any regularity since ... can anyone guess?

Linebackers -- Washington (drafted by the Colts) Holdman (not the Redskins)

Only Rogers and Sean Taylor have spent their entire careers only in D.C.

Offense is a little better with the line (minus Rabach and Thomas), Betts, Cooley and Campbell.

And Matty, you're right -- we're stuck with this system until someone else takes over, or they're done giving up picks for RFAs.

Let's all hope that Gibbs & Co. are going to prove us wrong about acquiring players.

Who here thinks that will actually happen?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

In fact, this organization hasn't drafted a defensive lineman that plays with any regularity since ... can anyone guess?

I'll answer my own question. And tell me honestly if you're not astounded by this...

The last time the Redskins drafted a defensive lineman that turned out to be a starter was Rich Owens in the 5th round of 1995.

Not in 11 years until Golston and Montegomery did we draft another D-lineman that played with any consistency.

Am I missing something here? Is anyone here not stunned by this fact?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'll answer my own question. And tell me honestly if you're not astounded by this...

The last time the Redskins drafted a defensive lineman that turned out to be a starter was Rich Owens in the 5th round of 1995.

Not in 11 years until Golston and Montegomery did we draft another D-lineman that played with any consistency.

Am I missing something here? Is anyone here not stunned by this fact?

What about Kenard Lang?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What about Kenard Lang?

Yeah, that's right. Don't know how I forgot him.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'll answer my own question. And tell me honestly if you're not astounded by this...

The last time the Redskins drafted a defensive lineman that turned out to be a starter was Rich Owens in the 5th round of 1995.

Not in 11 years until Golston and Montegomery did we draft another D-lineman that played with any consistency.

Am I missing something here? Is anyone here not stunned by this fact?

Not suprised , I was thinking C. Mann < drafted 83 > . I am suprised that the team rarely uses a high draft pick on the D Line . Maybe Im wrong , but I believe B Wilson is the only D Lineman drafted in rd # 1 by the Skins since Gibbs was hired in '81 .

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

On defense, the entire starting defensive line are not original Redskin draftees. Golston and Montgomery are back-ups. In fact, this organization hasn't drafted a defensive lineman that plays with any regularity since ... can anyone guess?

Linebackers -- Washington (drafted by the Colts) Holdman (not the Redskins)

Only Rogers and Sean Taylor have spent their entire careers only in D.C.

Offense is a little better with the line (minus Rabach and Thomas), Betts, Cooley and Campbell.

And Matty, you're right -- we're stuck with this system until someone else takes over, or they're done giving up picks for RFAs.

Let's all hope that Gibbs & Co. are going to prove us wrong about acquiring players.

Who here thinks that will actually happen?

Golston starts. Like I said, Sellers...Marshall depending on how you look at it.

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

People will always point to Chris Cooley. He's a good player, might even be a great player someday. Problem is, he was a 2 for 1 deal. Losing a 2nd rounder for Rocky McIntosh? As far as we know, that wasn't a smart deal. If he suddenly turns it around and becomes the next Antonio Pierce, fine. But can we say with any certainty that's going to happen?

There are no guarantees in the draft. Tell me the best team in the league at the draft, and I'll pick ten absolute busts they've had in the last five years. We can't say with certainty that any rookie is going to be good.

Chris Cooley had an off year last year - like the whole team did. Still he managed to score more TDs than all but three Tight Ends in the league.

Everyone who's giving up on Rocky McIntosh should strongly reconsider that as well. This is the same defensive staff that refused to start Sean Taylor at first, and he might just be OK. Holding him up to Pierce is an unfair benchmark.