Commanders 2025 Offseason Thread

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Bradyn Swinson was available for us in the 4th rd for an edge. 2nd team All-SEC, 8.5 sacks, 13 TFL last year. This was who I wanted in the 4th rd, so a talented edge was available. Peters went in a different direction.



https://www.nfl.com/prospects/bradyn...5-b77b8ec24fbb

An edge who lasted till round 5 vs their top rated ST returner per AP(also a position of need). I will trust AP and DQ's evaluation and decision. If we were going to get an impact player at EDGE it would have been at 61 or before.

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[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

An edge who lasted till round 5 vs their top rated ST returner per AP(also a position of need). I will trust AP and DQ's evaluation and decision. If we were going to get an impact player at EDGE it would have been at 61 or before.

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We all have to trust AP's decision and we will, but this is one of the few I disagreed with. We already got Deebo Samuel and Michael Gallup Jr. and he used a 3rd rounder on McCaffrey last year. Edge was far more of a need than wr. Defense wins championships not more wrs when you're already solid in this area.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

We all have to trust AP's decision and we will, but this is one of the few I disagreed with. We already got Deebo Samuel and Michael Gallup Jr. and he used a 3rd rounder on McCaffrey last year. Edge was far more of a need than wr. Defense wins championships not more wrs when you're already solid in this area.

We know AP chooses highly athletic players so I looked up Swinson's RAS score, and maybe - for good or bad - it had something to do with them passing on it.



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[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

We know AP chooses highly athletic players so I looked up Swinson's RAS score, and maybe - for good or bad - it had something to do with them passing on it.



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I am still quite excited about Lane. Kid is FAST and is a legit threat on returns also. It's not that I have an issue with nabbing Lane. It's just that I'm frustrated about edge being avoided when more resources have already been put into the offense this offseason.

[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

We all have to trust AP's decision and we will, but this is one of the few I disagreed with. We already got Deebo Samuel and Michael Gallup Jr. and he used a 3rd rounder on McCaffrey last year. Edge was far more of a need than wr. Defense wins championships not more wrs when you're already solid in this area.

I loved the Deebo trade but he is signed for 1 season and we don't know if he will sign here again. He also comes with injury risk. Gallop came off his couch and is a solid depth piece but nothing more. McCaffery at this point has proven nothing.

I don't see any way this group could be considered solid before the draft. I'm also pretty thrilled that AP drafted the best player and did not reach to fill a more immediate need and you should be as well.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by Darrell Green Fan

I loved the Deebo trade but he is signed for 1 season and we don't know if he will sign here again. He also comes with injury risk. Gallop came off his couch and is a solid depth piece but nothing more. McCaffery at this point has proven nothing.

I don't see any way this group could be considered solid before the draft. I'm also pretty thrilled that AP drafted the best player and did not reach to fill a more immediate need and you should be as well.

Deebo is only 29 years old and can sign a new deal in the offseason. He is hurt some but it's overblown his reputation here. For the most part he is healthy and flat out produces for a long time. Dude is a stud. Gallup is also only 29 years old and retired before. He also produces when he plays. He's not going to be asked to be a 1 or 2. We already have a bonafide star and 1 with McClaurin. McCaffrey didn't get a lot of opportunities last year but all reports are highly optimistic. Kid is tough and has hands:

https://riggosrag.com/luke-mccaffrey...sees-it-coming

https://atozsports.com/nfl/washingto...acorey-brooks/

Jacorey Brooks also could get in the mix and was inexplicably not drafted. Noah Brown is back also and is decently productive. Think he can be moreso with the Deebo acquisition.

I have said before in this forum that I don't mind getting Lane but would have preferred Swinson. No one knows who the better player is of the 2 so it is premature for you to assert that. What we do know is edge and defense were more of a need than wr.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Deebo is only 29 years old and can sign a new deal in the offseason. He is hurt some but it's overblown his reputation here. For the most part he is healthy and flat out produces for a long time. Dude is a stud. Gallup is also only 29 years old and retired before. He also produces when he plays. He's not going to be asked to be a 1 or 2. We already have a bonafide star and 1 with McClaurin. McCaffrey didn't get a lot of opportunities last year but all reports are highly optimistic. Kid is tough and has hands:



https://riggosrag.com/luke-mccaffrey...sees-it-coming



https://atozsports.com/nfl/washingto...acorey-brooks/



Jacorey Brooks also could get in the mix and was inexplicably not drafted. Noah Brown is back also and is decently productive. Think he can be moreso with the Deebo acquisition.



I have said before in this forum that I don't mind getting Lane but would have preferred Swinson. No one knows who the better player is of the 2 so it is premature for you to assert that. What we do know is edge and defense were more of a need than wr.

I disagree about Lane vs Swinson. At best Swinson will be a rotational line player, Lane has every chance to be an explosive return player immediately (a definite need like edge), and develop into a swiss army knife offensive player who can cut through defenses. Now either one of them could prove to be higher or lower than their prevdraft expectations but on the face of it Lane meets a specific need AND provides a projected explosive element that Swinson does not.

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[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I disagree about Lane vs Swinson. At best Swinson will be a rotational line player, Lane has every chance to be an explosive return player immediately (a definite need like edge), and develop into a swiss army knife offensive player who can cut through defenses. Now either one of them could prove to be higher or lower than their prevdraft expectations but on the face of it Lane meets a specific need AND provides a projected explosive element that Swinson does not.

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Why do you feel Swinson can only be a rotational line player? NFL Draft Buzz had him going as high as potentially the 2nd round. 2nd rounders don't get drafted for rotations. They get drafted to start. His strength is pass rushing who has the frame to be a great run stopper also.

Please read the article below on him:

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...nson-DE-Oregon

The versatility he's shown - working stunts, dropping in coverage, even spying athletic quarterbacks - gives defensive coordinators a chess piece they can move around the formation. Put him in the right scheme, and you're looking at an impact player who should hear his name called in the late second round.

Smart money's on Swinson outplaying his draft position.

Lane is fast. This isn't college though. His stats in the mediocre ACC were pretty average around 500 yds rec/season. Our new udfa wr Ja'Corey Brooks had 1,000 alone in 1 season last year.

Please don't come crying to me when our defense isn't good enough to win the SB next year. Jayden and the offense will be great, but barring more changes defense won't be good enough.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Why do you feel Swinson can only be a rotational line player? NFL Draft Buzz had him going as high as potentially the 2nd round. 2nd rounders don't get drafted for rotations. They get drafted to start. His strength is pass rushing who has the frame to be a great run stopper also.



Please read the article below on him:



https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...nson-DE-Oregon



The versatility he's shown - working stunts, dropping in coverage, even spying athletic quarterbacks - gives defensive coordinators a chess piece they can move around the formation. Put him in the right scheme, and you're looking at an impact player who should hear his name called in the late second round.



Smart money's on Swinson outplaying his draft position.



Lane is fast. This isn't college though. His stats in the mediocre ACC were pretty average around 500 yds rec/season. Our new udfa wr Ja'Corey Brooks had 1,000 alone in 1 season last year.



Please don't come crying to me when our defense isn't good enough to win the SB next year. Jayden and the offense will be great, but barring more changes defense won't be good enough.

It's funny [a little revisionism to follow] take away 3 offensive turnovers at critical junctures in the NFCCG and we win that game. [/revisionism] Dyami is gone and our offense will be better because of the additions.

As for Swinson, in 4 rounds 19 edge rushers were picked by 19 different FO before our pick. AP said that Lane was our top rated punt returner.

We have 3 of our last 10 first round picks still on our team. We need talent first and foremost, not reaching for the 22nd edge rusher. That said, I do believe AP and crew will bring in a veteran edge on a 1 or 2 year deal. Keep in mind 20 teams brought in rookie edge rushers, that likely means an overpaid but productive vet will become available in the next wave of FA.

And from your referenced link:

Smart money's on Swinson outplaying his draft position. His senior year jump wasn't just about opportunity - it was about development. The raw tools have been refined into real skills, and his rapid improvement curve suggests he's still ascending. A creative defensive coordinator who can protect him from heavy run-game duties early will be getting a pass rush specialist who could develop into an every-down force by year two.

So we should have jumped our draft board for an rookie edge rusher who is a liability in the run? Saquon agrees.

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[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Deebo is only 29 years old and can sign a new deal in the offseason. He is hurt some but it's overblown his reputation here. For the most part he is healthy and flat out produces for a long time. Dude is a stud. Gallup is also only 29 years old and retired before. He also produces when he plays. He's not going to be asked to be a 1 or 2. We already have a bonafide star and 1 with McClaurin. McCaffrey didn't get a lot of opportunities last year but all reports are highly optimistic. Kid is tough and has hands:

https://riggosrag.com/luke-mccaffrey...sees-it-coming

https://atozsports.com/nfl/washingto...acorey-brooks/

Jacorey Brooks also could get in the mix and was inexplicably not drafted. Noah Brown is back also and is decently productive. Think he can be moreso with the Deebo acquisition.

I have said before in this forum that I don't mind getting Lane but would have preferred Swinson. No one knows who the better player is of the 2 so it is premature for you to assert that. What we do know is edge and defense were more of a need than wr.

As I said I loved the Deebo trade and expect him to blow up this year. But after that then what? A year from now he will be 30 with a history of slacking off after getting paid with a larger injury risk. He will also demand to be paid top of the market and smart organizations do not give top of the market contracts to 30 year olds with his history.

They also do not reach to fill immediate needs and I think this organization feels this way as well. I believe them when they said they took the highest rated player on their board and have no reason not to.

All of your other players mentioned are either JAGS or completely unproven. McCaffery was getting opportunities and then was relegated to returning kicks. Coaches know more than fans, they see things we do not see and they obviously saw something with McCaffery. I'd be happy to be wrong here but expecting him to become a legit WR2 is speculation.

Nope other than Terry and one year of Deebo I don't see how anyone can say this WR group was solid before the draft.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by Darrell Green Fan

As I said I loved the Deebo trade and expect him to blow up this year. But after that then what? A year from now he will be 30 with a history of slacking off after getting paid with a larger injury risk. He will also demand to be paid top of the market and smart organizations do not give top of the market contracts to 30 year olds with his history.

They also do not reach to fill immediate needs and I think this organization feels this way as well. I believe them when they said they took the highest rated player on their board and have no reason not to.

All of your other players mentioned are either JAGS or completely unproven. McCaffery was getting opportunities and then was relegated to returning kicks. Coaches know more than fans, they see things we do not see and they obviously saw something with McCaffery. I'd be happy to be wrong here but expecting him to become a legit WR2 is speculation.

Nope other than Terry and one year of Deebo I don't see how anyone can say this WR group was solid before the draft.

Deebo slacking off when getting paid? WTF are you talking about it? His injury history is overblown as I've already stated. He has played in at least 15 regular season games 3 of the last 4 years. The other one he still played in 11. It's not like he was hurt for the whole year.

Also, as I mentioned if he balls out (likely) we can give him a new deal. McLaurin-Deebo is a nasty 1-2 punch. Look at Philly with Brown and Smith. They don't have much after that at receiver. But clearly they didn't need it because the rest of their team and especially their defense is so good.

I'd actually take our depth pieces at receiver over Philly's last year (Gallup, Noah Brown, McCaffrey, Brooks) etc. Gallup and Brown are good for at least a few hundred yds a season at receiver virtually every year they play. Do you recognize how good of production this is for a 3 a 4 wr?

Our receivers were fine going into 2025 prior to the draft, and they nabbed Brooks who put up twice the amount of receiving yds that Lane did their final college seasons. I don't give a rat's ass if Lane is fast. Brooks was the better college player. You are underestimating how critical edge is to the NFL. Why do you think Philly had Mahomes on his ass the whole SB and dominated the dynasty? Sweat and all their big uglies is why. Something our team lacks and will prevent us from winning the SB this year.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Deebo slacking off when getting paid? WTF are you talking about it? His injury history is overblown as I've already stated. He has played in at least 15 regular season games 3 of the last 4 years. The other one he still played in 11. It's not like he was hurt for the whole year.

Also, as I mentioned if he balls out (likely) we can give him a new deal. McLaurin-Deebo is a nasty 1-2 punch. Look at Philly with Brown and Smith. They don't have much after that at receiver. But clearly they didn't need it because the rest of their team and especially their defense is so good.

I'd actually take our depth pieces at receiver over Philly's last year (Gallup, Noah Brown, McCaffrey, Brooks) etc. Gallup and Brown are good for at least a few hundred yds a season at receiver virtually every year they play. Do you recognize how good of production this is for a 3 a 4 wr?

Our receivers were fine going into 2025 prior to the draft, and they nabbed Brooks who put up twice the amount of receiving yds that Lane did their final college seasons. I don't give a rat's ass if Lane is fast. Brooks was the better college player. You are underestimating how critical edge is to the NFL. Why do you think Philly had Mahomes on his ass the whole SB and dominated the dynasty? Sweat and all their big uglies is why. Something our team lacks and will prevent us from winning the SB this year.

This team had no edge guys last year, and it isn’t why we didn’t win a Superbowl. We didn’t win a Superbowl because we put the ball on the ground 3 times in crucial situations. I think you are underestimating how important the rest of the team is outside edge rusher. Do we need to upgrade at the position, yes. Is this roster better than last years, yes.

[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Deebo slacking off when getting paid? WTF are you talking about it? His injury history is overblown as I've already stated. He has played in at least 15 regular season games 3 of the last 4 years. The other one he still played in 11. It's not like he was hurt for the whole year.

Also, as I mentioned if he balls out (likely) we can give him a new deal. McLaurin-Deebo is a nasty 1-2 punch. Look at Philly with Brown and Smith. They don't have much after that at receiver. But clearly they didn't need it because the rest of their team and especially their defense is so good.

I'd actually take our depth pieces at receiver over Philly's last year (Gallup, Noah Brown, McCaffrey, Brooks) etc. Gallup and Brown are good for at least a few hundred yds a season at receiver virtually every year they play. Do you recognize how good of production this is for a 3 a 4 wr?

Our receivers were fine going into 2025 prior to the draft, and they nabbed Brooks who put up twice the amount of receiving yds that Lane did their final college seasons. I don't give a rat's ass if Lane is fast. Brooks was the better college player. You are underestimating how critical edge is to the NFL. Why do you think Philly had Mahomes on his ass the whole SB and dominated the dynasty? Sweat and all their big uglies is why. Something our team lacks and will prevent us from winning the SB this year.

It is no secret that the Niners became frustrated with Deebo, conditioning and being unmotivated were the main issues. Not sure how you are unaware of this. How else can we explain such a productive player being dealt for a late 5th? I know he requested a trade but they took a $31 million cap hit to get out of the Deebo Samuel business and this can not be ignored, nor can we ignore how apparently any team could have landed him for 4th but chose not to.

Using your stats in the last 4 seasons he has missed 2 games in 3 seasons and 7 games in a 4th. That's an injury history that will not improve with age.

Now in a contract year as I said I expect him to blow up. But being overweight, out of shape, with decreasing production and an injury history is now part of his legacy and that can't be overlooked as they consider paying top of the market price to a 30 year old.


Yes if you go down the depth chart Noah Brown is better than Philly's WR3. But let's not pretend Terry and whoever wins WR2 is as good as Devonte Adams and AJ Brown. Deebo is a gaget guy, a real weapon who will also carry the ball as a RB but he is not a WR 2. Top WR 2's do not end the season in a good offense with 51/670/3. So we can't compare him to Phillys WR2, he's in a special catagory. So that leave us with Terry and JAG GUY as the WR2. If Terry went down this WR group would have been below average, even with Deebo blowing up in his role.