2024 Commanders Off-Season Thread

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I would like to know the discussion between Harris and Joe Gibbs had in the box. I'm sure Harris will listen to Joe.

Let's hope not. Joe Gibbs recommended Rivera. We all love Joe but he's been out of the game too long to be recommending a GM or coach.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Let's hope not. Joe Gibbs recommended Rivera. We all love Joe but he's been out of the game too long to be recommending a GM or coach.

It showed during his second stint

[Meks]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

It showed during his second stint

Dan forcing them to bring in AL Saunders fucked up our offense in Joe's second stint for sure.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Let's hope not. Joe Gibbs recommended Rivera. We all love Joe but he's been out of the game too long to be recommending a GM or coach.

Did J Gibbs recommend RR, or did RR seek out Joe prior to accepting the job?

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Did J Gibbs recommend RR, or did RR seek out Joe prior to accepting the job?

According to local reports Gibbs encouraged Snyder to come down to Carolina and talk to Ron

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Let's hope not. Joe Gibbs recommended Rivera. We all love Joe but he's been out of the game too long to be recommending a GM or coach.

Football is not a 21st century sport, if you know football, you know football.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Football is not a 21st century sport, if you know football, you know football.

I love Coach Joe and thank him immensely for the success he had first time around and the respectability he had 2nd time around but this is 100% the wrong take. His 2nd time around he thought he could skip the whole "develop a young qb" thing by getting Brunell and that was one of his big downfalls. The game passed him by - offensive rules were getting made emphasizing pass interference/big plays/more scoring and the great teams of those days realized where the advantage was.

The NFL has been tilting the rules in favor of the offense for the last 20 years or so and Coach Joe thought he could still win with a veteran qb game manager and a strong running game. Those days are gone. Ball control will win games when you're playing quick-score offenses (good defense and strong running game will hold them in check) but it's not an effective strategy for winning 12 games and a title. The best teams have solid defenses and aggressive offenses that air it out (which is what the NFL wants).

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Football is not a 21st century sport, if you know football, you know football.

Yes, but knowing the best coordinators and gm's is different. If JG was giving advice on the character of guys, I would trust him implicitly, but knowing the best FO hires and innovative HC guys, not as much.

I am glad he is talking with JG, because I believe JG truly wants this franchise to thrive. But I hope he is getting advice from guys like the analytics dude he brought in.

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yes, but knowing the best coordinators and gm's is different. If JG was giving advice on the character of guys, I would trust him implicitly, but knowing the best FO hires and innovative HC guys, not as much.

I am glad he is talking with JG, because I believe JG truly wants this franchise to thrive. But I hope he is getting advice from guys like the analytics dude he brought in.

Exactly! I'm one who normally agrees with Chief. I don't know if I'd consult with Gibbs nowadays. Gibbs might be promoting or pushing for Belichek for all we know.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by PorkSkins

Exactly! I'm one who normally agrees with Chief. I don't know if I'd consult with Gibbs nowadays. Gibbs might be promoting or pushing for Belichek for all we know.

It never hurts to consult but I'd have issues if Gibbs was leading the search for the next GM. He's an old-school type in a new-school game.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by PorkSkins

Exactly! I'm one who normally agrees with Chief. I don't know if I'd consult with Gibbs nowadays. Gibbs might be promoting or pushing for Belichek for all we know.

If Gibbs knew anything about Peters, Horvitz or Aponte I would be shocked

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yes, but knowing the best coordinators and gm's is different. If JG was giving advice on the character of guys, I would trust him implicitly, but knowing the best FO hires and innovative HC guys, not as much.

I am glad he is talking with JG, because I believe JG truly wants this franchise to thrive. But I hope he is getting advice from guys like the analytics dude he brought in.

Joe was given Vinny Cerrato as his GM and roster, not a good thing.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Joe was given Vinny Cerrato as his GM and roster, not a good thing.

Excellent point, but Cerrato wasn't coaching the team on gameday either. I would argue Snyder gave Gibbs final say over the roster too given his credibility.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by mooby

Excellent point, but Cerrato wasn't coaching the team on gameday either. I would argue Snyder gave Gibbs final say over the roster too given his credibility.

Bottom line, he inherited a shitty roster and FA’s and was expected to create a miracle. Joe quit to save his reputation, he gave in to Snyders desperation and shouldn’t have.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Excellent point, but Cerrato wasn't coaching the team on gameday either. I would argue Snyder gave Gibbs final say over the roster too given his credibility.

Gibbs was the only coach where I believe that Snyder never meddled in football personnel decisions.