The 2nd Amendment Thread

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Awful quiet in here. Guess the latest shooters aren’t transgender enough to talk about. Just the same old nazi sympathizers filled with hate. Be about fifty more of them before someone deserving of a pie chart meme from fox news shows us where the actual criminals are coming from. Laughable.

It’s weird you pop up in here to talk about… Nazi Mexicans?

Again I’ll ask, you support a mandatory 2 year prison minimum for anyone caught in possession of illegal gun, as we know from the data, 75-80 of all gun crime is with an illegal weapon.

Automatic 10 years in prison for anyone using a gun to commit a violent crime.

Let me know when you are ready to stand up to gun crime in this country.

We know the data, it’s been studied and approved a long, long time ago:

https://twitter.com/capitalismandf1/...66729118130177

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

It’s weird you pop up in here to talk about… Nazi Mexicans?

Again I’ll ask, you support a mandatory 2 year prison minimum for anyone caught in possession of illegal gun, as we know from the data, 75-80 of all gun crime is with an illegal weapon.

Automatic 10 years in prison for anyone using a gun to commit a violent crime.

Let me know when you are ready to stand up to gun crime in this country.

Clayton Bigsby

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Clayton Bigsby

Pretty funny to watch people think social media post on a Russian site is now actual legit.

These libs are so dishonest to even talk about policy and data, but are quick to believe Russia social media sources. It’s remarkable

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

It’s weird you pop up in here to talk about… Nazi Mexicans?

Again I’ll ask, you support a mandatory 2 year prison minimum for anyone caught in possession of illegal gun, as we know from the data, 75-80 of all gun crime is with an illegal weapon.

Automatic 10 years in prison for anyone using a gun to commit a violent crime.

Let me know when you are ready to stand up to gun crime in this country.

We know the data, it’s been studied and approved a long, long time ago:

https://twitter.com/capitalismandf1/...66729118130177

30 years ago Italian americans would never be allowed to join white supremacy groups because they weren't anglo enough. Now they are a large component. A nationality does not equal race.

I am all for harsher punishments but in the end that merely focuses on the end result. Punishments have never equalled the deterrent that politicians think it does and we need to focus on prevention as well which is far less expensive than clean up. Further more it is funny how we only focus on punishment for certain aspects of illegal weapons. I never hear politicians or gun advocates clamoring for law abiding citizens that are careless with their gun ownership with facing prison sentences. My brother has had three guns (at different times) stolen from his car. He lives in a state that does not require gun owners to report stolen guns. One was used in a crime. He should have jail time IMO.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

30 years ago Italian americans would never be allowed to join white supremacy groups because they weren't anglo enough. Now they are a large component. A nationality does not equal race.

I am all for harsher punishments but in the end that merely focuses on the end result. Punishments have never equalled the deterrent that politicians think it does and we need to focus on prevention as well which is far less expensive than clean up. Further more it is funny how we only focus on punishment for certain aspects of illegal weapons. I never hear politicians or gun advocates clamoring for law abiding citizens that are careless with their gun ownership with facing prison sentences. My brother has had three guns (at different times) stolen from his car. He lives in a state that does not require gun owners to report stolen guns. One was used in a crime. He should have jail time IMO.

Well said B more. A nationality certainly doesn’t equal an ideology either.
Chico just needs to have the shooters fit his narrative. If he has to defend hard right nazis he goes to places like he just did. Only white Christian Americans can be nazis. Unbelievable.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

30 years ago Italian americans would never be allowed to join white supremacy groups because they weren't anglo enough. Now they are a large component. A nationality does not equal race.

I am all for harsher punishments but in the end that merely focuses on the end result. Punishments have never equalled the deterrent that politicians think it does and we need to focus on prevention as well which is far less expensive than clean up. Further more it is funny how we only focus on punishment for certain aspects of illegal weapons. I never hear politicians or gun advocates clamoring for law abiding citizens that are careless with their gun ownership with facing prison sentences. My brother has had three guns (at different times) stolen from his car. He lives in a state that does not require gun owners to report stolen guns. One was used in a crime. He should have jail time IMO.

The “end result” is law breaking…you want who to manage it up until then? I don’t understand. Are you talking about all my tax money pissed away in places where politicians have ruled for 60 plus years…like Richmond Va…and still can’t figure it out?

Guns being stolen, while an issue…doesn’t come close to gun violence crime facing this nation. The focus should be who is stealing and why? Why does Chicago have the strongest gun control policies, yet its citizens crave to kill one another? Answer me that

Putting aways criminals works…it’s proven. There isn’t a dispute.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The “end result” is law breaking…you want who to manage it up until then? I don’t understand. Are you talking about all my tax money pissed away in places where politicians have ruled for 60 plus years…like Richmond Va…and still can’t figure it out?

Guns being stolen, while an issue…doesn’t come close to gun violence crime facing this nation. The focus should be who is stealing and why? Why does Chicago have the strongest gun control policies, yet its citizens crave to kill one another? Answer me that

Putting aways criminals works…it’s proven. There isn’t a dispute.

First if anyone tells you that piece meal gun legislation works they are lying or delusional. The scientific research shows the only thing that works is at the country level not the local level but we are never going to have that in this country.

I am not sure why you think a person going to jail for a crime they commited will stop them from committing said crime. Are you actually suggesting we should preemptively incarcerate people to prevent a crime from happening?

My point on my brother is that if he was proactive illegal guns would have been reduced on the street. I would prefer to prevent them from getting on the street in the first place instead of waiting for someone to be shot and then attempting to find a killer after the fact.

In the end this is what we are left with. Highest levels of incarceration of any developed country and more crime. We are doing something wrong and there are multiple steps needed to solve this problem.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

First if anyone tells you that piece meal gun legislation works they are lying or delusional. The scientific research shows the only thing that works is at the country level not the local level but we are never going to have that in this country.

I am not sure why you think a person going to jail for a crime they commited will stop them from committing said crime. Are you actually suggesting we should preemptively incarcerate people to prevent a crime from happening?

My point on my brother is that if he was proactive illegal guns would have been reduced on the street. I would prefer to prevent them from getting on the street in the first place instead of waiting for someone to be shot and then attempting to find a killer after the fact.

In the end this is what we are left with. Highest levels of incarceration of any developed country and more crime. We are doing something wrong and there are multiple steps needed to solve this problem.

Why are libs intent on making crime safer for criminals? It’s absurd

If you want to prevent them getting in the streets then you specifically need to address the people and their culture which believes shooting each other is an acceptable way to act.

Instead of attacking a very large majority of responsible owners, focus on the problem.

As an example, a week ago in Richmond…2 kids shot each other at George Wyeth HS in Richmond. Parking lot. That night School Board president gets there and gives an angry speech. A week ago she a gave an interview defending not expelling a kids who threaten a teacher and made threats to shooting up the school. There is no accountability and you are r coddling kids teaching them rules in society don’t apply to them.

Don’t sit here and tell me we need more gun laws, if you are not going to enforce the ones on the books….and in the same breath especially on other issue talk about “justice”.

We know locking up criminals works and brings down crime as past stats and strategies show it..the accountability of parents, community and politicians is long overdue. They need to be held accountable for their direct action and inaction.

Brother we got no more statues to take down and money in the city has been strong since the early 90s. New schools have been built, NGOs flooded with cash, investment within communities and representation at every level….so tell me again what’s the issue?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

It’s weird you pop up in here to talk about… Nazi Mexicans?

Again I’ll ask, you support a mandatory 2 year prison minimum for anyone caught in possession of illegal gun, as we know from the data, 75-80 of all gun crime is with an illegal weapon.

Automatic 10 years in prison for anyone using a gun to commit a violent crime.

Let me know when you are ready to stand up to gun crime in this country.

We know the data, it’s been studied and approved a long, long time ago:

https://twitter.com/capitalismandf1/...66729118130177

So Mauricio Garcia cannot be a nazi because of his mexican heritage? Very nazi of you. He was an American citizen. Served in the United States army. He was triggered by the same bullshit that you watch on fox news.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So Mauricio Garcia cannot be a nazi because of his mexican heritage? Very nazi of you. He was an American citizen. Served in the United States army. He was triggered by the same bullshit that you watch on fox news.

You trying to strawman Fox News there too?

So this guy was a nazi…you believe that? Hispanic nazi are apparently a thing? You think more Nazis could be coming over the border?

And I’m a nazi too apparently for questioning it. Gotcha

Haspanic gangs out here killing each other in their shitholes, across the country…and now we got Hispanic Nazis. Evolution? MS-13, Mexican Mafia…Mexican Nazis?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You trying to strawman Fox News there too?

So this guy was a nazi…you believe that? Hispanic nazi are apparently a thing? You think more Nazis could be coming over the border?

And I’m a nazi too apparently for questioning it. Gotcha

Haspanic gangs out here killing each other in their shitholes, across the country…and now we got Hispanic Nazis. Evolution? MS-13, Mexican Mafia…Mexican Nazis?

Abbott, Fox news, and you the only three that don’t believe the reports about his ideology yet. Why? Does a Spanish AMERICAN buying into the extreme right white hate groups like the proud boys somehow tarnish the authenticity of said groups? What’s next some conspiracy about how Bidens FBI planted Nazi propaganda on his social media pages?

You keep referring to him as a hispanic, a gang member, and a mexican but the guy was an American. A Spanish American, And the hate that the extreme right pumps out of its tiny brains can permeate even a Spanish American Chico. Sorry you and Greg Abbot somehow feel like the guy being a Nazi sympathizer is a strike against the right but he is. You are both desperate for this guy not to be connected to Nazis. Please please please let him just be some mexican thug from a shithole mexican town! Please! God don’t let this guy be a Nazi sympathizer! He isn’t even white! My God the warped mind of the extreme right.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnov...s-outlet-mall/

No need to read the whole article but feel free. I pasted the part that was talking directly to people like you (extreme right) below…..

“Part of the online outrage over Garcia’s identity seems to stem from the fact that he was a Latino who espoused white supremacist ideas. Garcia was reportedly wearing a patch that read “Right Wing Death Squad,” according to local police and his OK.ru profile shows admiration for Nazis like Josef Mengele, who was known as the Angel of Death.

And while these affiliations might seem strange on the surface, it makes sense given the rise of other extremists with Latin-American heritage in recent years, such as the neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes and the Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio. The issue of race is constantly being negotiated and re-negotiated, and the easiest way for most Americans to understand that state of flux might be with the history of Italian immigration. A century ago, no Anglo-American would’ve considered Italian immigrants to be white. But most people today would likely call people of Italian descent in the U.S. white.”

Hope that helps you to understand yourself and your outrage over a shithole Mexican gangbanger who is actually just a piece of shit American murderer that aligned himself with the deep rooted hate of the extreme right a little bit better.

Two races these days, people who hate people who are different (like transgender, gay, obviously different colors, different religions) , and people who accept others. And yes even a Spanish person, a black person, or a gay person can be the latter. The human mind is a crazy thing that doesn’t always make sense. Pretty convoluted I know but if you just think of people as haters or non haters it sort of simplifies things. Which do you see when you look in the mirror?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Abbott, Fox news, and you the only three that don’t believe the reports about his ideology yet. Why? Does a Spanish AMERICAN buying into the extreme right white hate groups like the proud boys somehow tarnish the authenticity of said groups? What’s next some conspiracy about how Bidens FBI planted Nazi propaganda on his social media pages?

You keep referring to him as a hispanic, a gang member, and a mexican but the guy was an American. A Spanish American, And the hate that the extreme right pumps out of its tiny brains can permeate even a Spanish American Chico. Sorry you and Greg Abbot somehow feel like the guy being a Nazi sympathizer is a strike against the right but he is. You are both desperate for this guy not to be connected to Nazis. Please please please let him just be some mexican thug from a shithole mexican town! Please! God don’t let this guy be a Nazi sympathizer! He isn’t even white! My God the warped mind of the extreme right.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnov...s-outlet-mall/

No need to read the whole article but feel free. I pasted the part that was talking directly to people like you (extreme right) below…..

“Part of the online outrage over Garcia’s identity seems to stem from the fact that he was a Latino who espoused white supremacist ideas. Garcia was reportedly wearing a patch that read “Right Wing Death Squad,” according to local police and his OK.ru profile shows admiration for Nazis like Josef Mengele, who was known as the Angel of Death.

And while these affiliations might seem strange on the surface, it makes sense given the rise of other extremists with Latin-American heritage in recent years, such as the neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes and the Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio. The issue of race is constantly being negotiated and re-negotiated, and the easiest way for most Americans to understand that state of flux might be with the history of Italian immigration. A century ago, no Anglo-American would’ve considered Italian immigrants to be white. But most people today would likely call people of Italian descent in the U.S. white.”

Hope that helps you to understand yourself and your outrage over a shithole Mexican gangbanger who is actually just a piece of shit American murderer that aligned himself with the deep rooted hate of the extreme right a little bit better.

Two races these days, people who hate people who are different (like transgender, gay, obviously different colors, different religions) , and people who accept others. And yes even a Spanish person, a black person, or a gay person can be the latter. The human mind is a crazy thing that doesn’t always make sense. Pretty convoluted I know but if you just think of people as haters or non haters it sort of simplifies things. Which do you see when you look in the mirror?

Punch, this guy has nothing to do with the GOP. Yes Hispanic Nazis is a new outlier that needs to be called out. I know it makes total since too you.

Instead of the quick to blame something else other than the crazy person just chill.

This is the most outrage i heard since the left found out out the non binary guy shot up the gay club and rushed to say he’s actually isn’t part of that group and it was part of his defense which turned out to be 10000% false. Per the usual. I sure you also believe that dude on the subway was a beloved Michael Jackson performer too…another left lie.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Punch, this guy has nothing to do with the GOP. Yes Hispanic Nazis is a new outlier that needs to be called out. I know it makes total since too you.

Instead of the quick to blame something else other than the crazy person just chill.

This is the most outrage i heard since the left found out out the non binary guy shot up the gay club and rushed to say he’s actually isn’t part of that group and it was part of his defense which turned out to be 10000% false. Per the usual. I sure you also believe that dude on the subway was a beloved Michael Jackson performer too…another left lie.

Just stop man. The dude was completely brainwashed by the extreme right and the extreme right has everything to do with the GOP - which you mentioned not me - because the GOP is no longer the GOP it is the long arm of MAGA.

So are you going with the deep state planted posts on his social media accounts? Photoshopped swastikas on his body?

Again, why are you so worried that this guy is MAGA? Leader of the proud boys is Spanish isn’t he? I know it pains you to believe that one of the far right’s recruits isn’t just a white guy but at least you can take solace in the fact that the hatred spewed by the far right has a whole new fan base.

The best is you acting like this wingnut didn’t buy into the far right ideology. You probably have a straight face while doing it. LOL.