In the Hole - Post Game Thread

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Originally Posted by Coff

From what I can find, statistically there is very little difference between eventually converting from 2nd and 10 (roughly 54%) versus from 3rd and 5 (roughly 49%). Going by that alone, you would decline the penalty, but it's close. The difference could be that you have a slightly better chance at forcing an INT if you accept the penalty and force them to pass twice. Hard to say. Either way, there's plenty of room for debate and it's not a critical error or brainless decision to choose one over the other.

Interesting stat. Thanks.

Unless the penalty knocks them even close to out of fg range you decline it. Or if it would be third and short. But at third and five I absolutely hate the idea of giving them two chances instead of the one.

It is debatable. I just haven’t heard a good reason why u would accept it yet. Hoping for an interception isn’t really a good reason imo.

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And they're thinking if TH beats us then we do not deserve to be in the playoffs.

True lol. TH has his moments at least. Hurts is completely one dimensional. But true at least after yesterday.

Look what hurts did against the Giants recently too. Even bad Taylor does better.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Coff

From what I can find, statistically there is very little difference between eventually converting from 2nd and 10 (roughly 54%) versus from 3rd and 5 (roughly 49%). Going by that alone, you would decline the penalty, but it's close. The difference could be that you have a slightly better chance at forcing an INT if you accept the penalty and force them to pass twice. Hard to say. Either way, there's plenty of room for debate and it's not a critical error or brainless decision to choose one over the other.

I think giving a team two chances to get 10 yards as opposed to giving them one chance to get 5 yards is stupid. I don't know if what you are finding statistically is taking into account - simply getting the first down on the next play, or getting the first down at all (since accepting the penalty gave them more opportunities).

Like (I think) Punch said, if the penalty will potentially push them out of FG range, fine. But that was not the case.

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Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Like (I think) Punch said, if the penalty will potentially push them out of FG range, fine. But that was not the case.

Probably 75 times since it happened, so it could be me.

Is there a beat a dead horse gif?

[Chico23231]

Gonna be honest, I think our defense yesterday wasn’t the problem. Dallas has the no 1 offense…they love to tout that shit. I think for as limited as we were on the dline, the secondary, LB really backed them up fairly well.

When you look at the offense, it’s not getting it done. The Oline I thought was the most disappointing outside of the TH overall play. We got nothing from RSJ…Logan Thomas out has really hurt all season.

[MTK]

Can we talk about Gibson for a minute, dude has a legit fumbling issue. He needs to clean that up asap or he's not going to be around long in this league.

[Chico23231]

Gibson needs to clean it up big time win the fumbles. I’d really like us to continue to draft RBs in those mid rounds.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by MTK

Can we talk about Gibson for a minute, dude has a legit fumbling issue. He needs to clean that up asap or he's not going to be around long in this league.

He leads all RBs with 6 fumbles.

Heinicke also has 6, putting two WFT players in the top (or bottom) 20 for fumbles.

I'd have to look at that one from yesterday again, but I feel like he fumbled before he was even contacted...could be wrong, but either way it's hard to trust him.

Between AG's fumbles and TH's fumbles and floaters, I'm never comfortable watching this offense.

[skinsfaninok]

Jon Allen has Covid per JP. May miss Sunday. FML

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

He leads all RBs with 6 fumbles.

Heinicke also has 6, putting two WFT players in the top (or bottom) 20 for fumbles.

I'd have to look at that one from yesterday again, but I feel like he fumbled before he was even contacted...could be wrong, but either way it's hard to trust him.

Between AG's fumbles and TH's fumbles and floaters, I'm never comfortable watching this offense.

I don’t know how TH doesn’t have 20 picks this season.. he’s been so damn lucky with those floaters

[skinsfaninok]

Speaking of TH, he has a hyperextended knee and is day to day per Chris Mortenson

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Jon Allen has Covid per JP. May miss Sunday. FML

Oh well, not a big loss.

[Chico23231]

Covid found one of the least vaccinated teams. Great job folks

[calia]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Jon Allen has Covid per JP. May miss Sunday. FML

Please tell me this isn't the case. Honestly, that would e a pretty big disaster. I know we have D line depth, but he's been lights out all season.

[KI Skins Fan]

The worst thing that happened in that game was that the Cowboys were allowed by some WFT FO executive douchebag to install custom made heated benches (for a 47 degree day) with their logos emblazoned on them on the visitors sideline. That is an arrogant statement that said "We own you!". What a bunch of pussies we have running the show for the WFT! Joe Gibbs must have puked when he saw that. How could that be allowed to happen to us? We fans have nothing left now, not even our pride.