Fresh Start Political Thread

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Sounds like someone read the Rights Guide to CRT lol. Old tired nonsense. That is all such old tired nonsense.

You actually don't know what CRT is. I decided to post a source sympathetic to/supportive of CRT and bolded the areas that I raised in my previous post



This is an explanation from the American Bar Association
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/c...l-race-theory/

Principles of the CRT Practice
While recognizing the evolving and malleable nature of CRT, scholar Khiara Bridges outlines a few key tenets of CRT, including:

Recognition that race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant. It recognizes that science (as demonstrated in the Human Genome Project) refutes the idea of biological racial differences. According to scholars Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic, race is the product of social thought and is not connected to biological reality.

Acknowledgement that racism is a normal feature of society and is embedded within systems and institutions, like the legal system, that replicate racial inequality. This dismisses the idea that racist incidents are aberrations but instead are manifestations of structural and systemic racism.
Rejection of popular understandings about racism, such as arguments that confine racism to a few “bad apples.” CRT recognizes that racism is codified in law, embedded in structures, and woven into public policy.

CRT rejects claims of meritocracy or “colorblindness.” CRT recognizes that it is the systemic nature of racism that bears primary responsibility for reproducing racial inequality.

Recognition of the relevance of people’s everyday lives to scholarship. This includes embracing the lived experiences of people of color, including those preserved through storytelling, and rejecting deficit-informed research that excludes the epistemologies of people of color.....

.....CRT transcends a Black/white racial binary and recognizes that racism has impacted the experiences of various people of color, including Latinx, Native Americans, and Asian Americans. As a result, different branches, including LatCrit, TribalCrit, and AsianCRT have emerged from CRT. These different branches seek to examine specific experiences of oppression.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by nonniey

You actually don't know what CRT is. I decided to post a source sympathetic to/supportive of CRT and bolded the areas that I raised in my previous post



This is an explanation from the American Bar Association
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/c...l-race-theory/

Principles of the CRT Practice
While recognizing the evolving and malleable nature of CRT, scholar Khiara Bridges outlines a few key tenets of CRT, including:

Recognition that race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant. It recognizes that science (as demonstrated in the Human Genome Project) refutes the idea of biological racial differences. According to scholars Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic, race is the product of social thought and is not connected to biological reality.

Acknowledgement that racism is a normal feature of society and is embedded within systems and institutions, like the legal system, that replicate racial inequality. This dismisses the idea that racist incidents are aberrations but instead are manifestations of structural and systemic racism.
Rejection of popular understandings about racism, such as arguments that confine racism to a few “bad apples.” CRT recognizes that racism is codified in law, embedded in structures, and woven into public policy.

CRT rejects claims of meritocracy or “colorblindness.” CRT recognizes that it is the systemic nature of racism that bears primary responsibility for reproducing racial inequality.

Recognition of the relevance of people’s everyday lives to scholarship. This includes embracing the lived experiences of people of color, including those preserved through storytelling, and rejecting deficit-informed research that excludes the epistemologies of people of color.....

.....CRT transcends a Black/white racial binary and recognizes that racism has impacted the experiences of various people of color, including Latinx, Native Americans, and Asian Americans. As a result, different branches, including LatCrit, TribalCrit, and AsianCRT have emerged from CRT. These different branches seek to examine specific experiences of oppression.

Yes you are correct. I have never done any research on CRT. The history. The intent. The spin the right puts on it. Nope. Never. Thank God you are here to set me on a path of knowledge and wisdom. I now see it from your perspective and am eternally grateful for your help.

All sarcasm aside, ive posted articles that retort every one of your points. Im not playing the circle game with politics anymore. Ill just beat myself in the head with a shoe in the morning and than go about my day.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yes you are correct. I have never done any research on CRT. The history. The intent. The spin the right puts on it. Nope. Never. Thank God you are here to set me on a path of knowledge and wisdom. I now see it from your perspective and am eternally grateful for your help.

All sarcasm aside, ive posted articles that retort every one of your points. Im not playing the circle game with politics anymore. Ill just beat myself in the head with a shoe in the morning and than go about my day.

That wasn't an editorial article I posted. It was a lesson from a pro CRT source. ("rejects meritocracy and colorblindness" There is no getting around that - that is an explicit rejection of MLK teachings/goals.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by nonniey

That wasn't an editorial article I posted. It was a lesson from a pro CRT source. ("rejects meritocracy and colorblindness" There is no getting around that - that is an explicit rejection of MLK teachings/goals.

Yes it is and there are a million articles I could post but you can find them too. U just dont want to. Lol

In a nut shell. King wanted to end racism, Not deny its existence. The whole MLK CRT thing is nothing more than political spin and tainted interpretation.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by nonniey

That wasn't an editorial article I posted. It was a lesson from a pro CRT source. ("rejects meritocracy and colorblindness" There is no getting around that - that is an explicit rejection of MLK teachings/goals.

Anyone who says they don’t see color is lying.

The black tax in professional settings is real.

We all consciously and sub consciously make instantaneous opinions on others. Color of skin, age, clothing, what part of town we are in, type of car they are driving, hat or nicely combed hair …. Skin color is a big part of many factors we instantaneously analyze when we see someone.

A white person saying they didn’t have a minor pause when a black doctor walks into the room is lying.

A black person saying they didn’t have a minor pause when a black doctor walks into the room is lying.

Race and prejudice are natural human thoughts and feelings.

Before you neo conservatives get your feelings hurt … I think black people also pre judge and hold prejudices

If you think race isn’t a big factor in every minut detail of human interaction in every corner of the world … I think you’re not being honest

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Anyone who says they don’t see color is lying.

The black tax in professional settings is real.

We all consciously and sub consciously make instantaneous opinions on others. Color of skin, age, clothing, what part of town we are in, type of car they are driving, hat or nicely combed hair …. Skin color is a big part of many factors we instantaneously analyze when we see someone.

A white person saying they didn’t have a minor pause when a black doctor walks into the room is lying.

A black person saying they didn’t have a minor pause when a black doctor walks into the room is lying.

Race and prejudice are natural human thoughts and feelings.

Before you neo conservatives get your feelings hurt … I think black people also pre judge and hold prejudices

If you think race isn’t a big factor in every minut detail of human interaction in every corner of the world … I think you’re not being honest

The point is that in policy, hiring - everything for that matter, CRT rejects color blindness and meritocracy. That is the point of the theory and why it differs from and rejects the goals of the Civil Rights movement. It embraces racial identity, segregation and collective guilt. Until the Jack-ass got involved even most liberals didn't support it. Once he started attacking it those Trump anti-bodies took control and suddenly it was something to be embraced and defended.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by nonniey

The point is that in policy, hiring - everything for that matter, CRT rejects color blindness and meritocracy. That is the point of the theory and why it differs from and rejects the goals of the Civil Rights movement. It embraces racial identity, segregation and collective guilt. Until the Jack-ass got involved even most liberals didn't support it. Once he started attacking it those Trump anti-bodies took control and suddenly it was something to be embraced and defended.

You posted an article from Sullivan (?) in which he opined crt was just the latest dog whistle to rile up the far right base.

I share that opinion.

I have a 4th grader … I’ll keep my eye out for schools teaching her white people are evil. She’s half black half white so I’m sure she will feel conflicted. I’ll also check under her bed for the boogie man.

I went to a liberal college and law school in California …. I’ve never been taught CRT so I do think it’s just some minor obscure non relevant thing that the right has used to try and politicize

I don’t give a fuck abiut crt and really think it’s a non factor in schools

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

You posted an article from Sullivan (?) in which he opined crt was just the latest dog whistle to rile up the far right base.

I share that opinion.

I have a 4th grader … I’ll keep my eye out for schools teaching her white people are evil. She’s half black half white so I’m sure she will feel conflicted. I’ll also check under her bed for the boogie man.

I went to a liberal college and law school in California …. I’ve never been taught CRT so I do think it’s just some minor obscure non relevant thing that the right has used to try and politicize

I don’t give a fuck abiut crt and really think it’s a non factor in schools

Yep but Sullivan was extremely critical of CRT in that article as well. Of course Trump and other elements are using it for political purposes but the reason he can is that it was being used in areas to guide policy - if it hadn't been there wouldn't have been anything for him to grab onto. And when he decided to use it this way the support for this excretable theory suddenly materialized by many on the left.

And good for you that you have a half black/half white child - so do I (mine is a college sophomore).

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by nonniey

The point is that in policy, hiring - everything for that matter, CRT rejects color blindness and meritocracy. That is the point of the theory and why it differs from and rejects the goals of the Civil Rights movement. It embraces racial identity, segregation and collective guilt. Until the Jack-ass got involved even most liberals didn't support it. Once he started attacking it those Trump anti-bodies took control and suddenly it was something to be embraced and defended.

Until the jack ass got involved … no one knew or cared what CRT was. It is a nothing thing, some theology on paper that may have been written in some 300 level sociology class, that the right has built up as some sort of rallying cry that big bad schools are teaching kids white people bad.

No one was for or against CRT before the right dragged it from obscurity into the political lime light.

Liberals arent defending CRT when they say it’s just some bullshit political dog whistle campaign tactic that isn’t even taught in schools to begin with.

It’s some made up boogie man for the right to rally around.

I thought you were smarter than this honestly … a bit disappointed you buy into this CRT thing

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Until the jack ass got involved … no one knew or cared what CRT was. It is a nothing thing, some theology on paper that may have been written in some 300 level sociology class, that the right has built up as some sort of rallying cry that big bad schools are teaching kids white people bad.

No one was for or against CRT before the right dragged it from obscurity into the political lime light.

Liberals arent defending CRT when they say it’s just some bullshit political dog whistle campaign tactic that isn’t even taught in schools to begin with.

It’s some made up boogie man for the right to rally around.

I thought you were smarter than this honestly … a bit disappointed you buy into this CRT thing

Uh no I had been aware and opposed it long before last year. (Identity Politics is my #1 pet peeve has been for a very long time).

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Until the jack ass got involved … no one knew or cared what CRT was. It is a nothing thing, some theology on paper that may have been written in some 300 level sociology class, that the right has built up as some sort of rallying cry that big bad schools are teaching kids white people bad.

No one was for or against CRT before the right dragged it from obscurity into the political lime light.

Liberals arent defending CRT when they say it’s just some bullshit political dog whistle campaign tactic that isn’t even taught in schools to begin with.

It’s some made up boogie man for the right to rally around.

I thought you were smarter than this honestly … a bit disappointed you buy into this CRT thing

+1

If I really wanted to get into CRT - I'd go to college.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I thought you were smarter than this honestly … a bit disappointed you buy into this CRT thing

nonniery .. im sorry for this comment above that I made this weekend. it was petty, i should be able to disagree with your thoughts without the "thought you were smarter" back hand statement.