Fresh Start Political Thread

[nonniey]

[QUOTE=Giantone;1288331..... /is overwhelmingly for getting out of that shit hole.......[/QUOTE]

Like I posted above it is hard for people to admit they supported the wrong position even when events clearly show it to be the wrong position. There is no question now (none!) that the wrong decision was made by both Trump and Biden in surrendering Afghanistan to the Taliban (and yes surrender is the right word for it - get used to it too as that term is starting to take hold - see link below). We are paying a high price for their ineptitude and will continue to pay it for years to come.


https://www.militarytimes.com/opinio...-of-surrender/

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Like I posted above it is hard for people to admit they supported the wrong position even when events clearly show it to be the wrong position. There is no question now (none!) that the wrong decision was made by both Trump and Biden in surrendering Afghanistan to the Taliban (and yes surrender is the right word for it - get used to it too as that term is starting to take hold - see link below). We are paying a high price for their ineptitude and will continue to pay it for years to come.


https://www.militarytimes.com/opinio...-of-surrender/

First and foremost the decision to leave was and is the right one.The implementation and carrying it out is the problem. To assume people agreed with the wrong position is BS. What was wrong with the plan to withdraw was counting on the afghans to defend their own Country. Again this isn't all Biden or trump this fuck up goes back to every administration since the 80's.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Giantone

First and foremost the decision to leave was and is the right one........

I'll repeat myself

"Like I posted above it is hard for people to admit they supported the wrong position even when events clearly show it to be the wrong position".


Goal - Do what is in the best interests of the United States.

There isn't really a question whether it was the wrong decision - It is costing us more to leave (across the board) than it would have if we stayed. The surrender decision was not in the best interests of the United States and thus the wrong decision to make (Events have shown that - laid it out plain as day etc).

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by nonniey

I'll repeat myself



"Like I posted above it is hard for people to admit they supported the wrong position even when events clearly show it to be the wrong position".





Goal - Do what is in the best interests of the United States.



There isn't really a question whether it was the wrong decision - It is costing us more to leave (across the board) than it would have if we stayed. The surrender decision was not in the best interests of the United States and thus the wrong decision to make (Events have shown that - laid it out plain as day etc).

That is like giving a grade to a draft before any player has taken the field. The long term interest of the United States is not to be a protectorate or empire building state. The exit/withdrawal/surrender was handled badly. That cost many lives. The decision to stay this long was likely flawed but history will judge.

It may be hard for people to admit they are wrong, but it is also way to early in the end game of Afghanistan to say that leaving was the wrong one.

Time, as always, will be the determining factor in the role the US played in Afghanistan's development.

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[nonniey]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

That is like giving a grade to a draft before any player has taken the field. The long term interest of the United States is not to be a protectorate or empire building state. The exit/withdrawal/surrender was handled badly. That cost many lives. The decision to stay this long was likely flawed but history will judge.

It may be hard for people to admit they are wrong, but it is also way to early in the end game of Afghanistan to say that leaving was the wrong one.

Time, as always, will be the determining factor in the role the US played in Afghanistan's development.

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Not really as in this case your #1 draft pick who was on trial for murder (you were hoping he'd be acquitted) was just convicted.

Wrong decision.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Not really as in this case your #1 draft pick who was on trial for murder (you were hoping he'd be acquitted) was just convicted.



Wrong decision.

I hope you will be able to admit it if it turns out you are wrong.

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