Come up with a new name for the Redskins

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by nonniey

After Cleveland's Guardians fiasco (and the blow back has been huge) it makes me wonder if the Redskins will be a little hesitant to pick a name at this point. I think it strengthens the argument to stick with WFT. If they do go with another name it will only be a small minority that likes it and everyone else whose choice wasn't picked will start shooting holes in the new name (Which is what is happening in Cleveland right now).

I don't see much in the way of the blowback you are talking about. And Washington will receive a ton of blowback if after tons of talk about fan submissions, posting polls, and linking to the past without Native American imagery, they leave the name as WFT. That (hopefully) just is not happening.

Regardless once the name is announced people, including me, will just have to accept it and move on. I like Rivera and Wright being at the head of the change, I just have a level of trust with them that I haven't had since Gibbs, and it is probably stronger than that, because the two seem to have a real strong hold on where they want this team to get to, and what it takes to make that happen - both on the field and off.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't see much in the way of the blowback you are talking about. And Washington will receive a ton of blowback if after tons of talk about fan submissions, posting polls, and linking to the past without Native American imagery, they leave the name as WFT. That (hopefully) just is not happening.

Regardless once the name is announced people, including me, will just have to accept it and move on. I like Rivera and Wright being at the head of the change, I just have a level of trust with them that I haven't had since Gibbs, and it is probably stronger than that, because the two seem to have a real strong hold on where they want this team to get to, and what it takes to make that happen - both on the field and off.

Yeah there's no way they stick with the temporary name after 2 years of talking about how great, thorough and complicated a renaming process they were going through... To me that's as close as 100% out an option can be.

As you said, we will all accept the new name at some point, and the more time they take, the more even those not liking the new one will go "erf, at least we finally have a name", and I think they know that.

Side note, Ron is cool with Redwolves (at 00:48, also ok with Redtails and wouldn't mind staying with WFT).

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

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Well we know that isn't exactly true. The franchise lost a chunk (probably a substantial chunk) of their fan base when they retired the Redskins. No matter what they do with the new name they will lose some more. That will come into their calculations as well. The assumption at this point is WFT will do the least amount of immediate damage and they will have to balance that against what name they think has the most potential to regrow their diminished fan base.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Well we know that isn't exactly true. The franchise lost a chunk (probably a substantial chunk) of their fan base when they retired the Redskins. No matter what they do with the new name they will lose some more. That will come into their calculations as well. The assumption at this point is WFT will do the least amount of immediate damage and they will have to balance that against what name they think has the most potential to regrow their diminished fan base.

Yeah... it was probably that and not the 30 years of crap football.

"All we had left was the name and they took that too"

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by mooby

Yeah... it was probably that and not the 30 years of crap football.

"All we had left was the name and they took that too"

You do know it is possible to lose additional fans on top of fans they previously lost right? They lost a chunk of fans to bad football over 2 decades and then they lost another chunk once they retired the name and they will lose a few more when they settle on a name.

[JackLord]

Originally Posted by nonniey

You do know it is possible to lose additional fans on top of fans they previously lost right? They lost a chunk of fans to bad football over 2 decades and then they lost another chunk once they retired the name and they will lose a few more when they settle on a name.

One of them might be me. Continuity or bust I say.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by nonniey

You do know it is possible to lose additional fans on top of fans they previously lost right? They lost a chunk of fans to bad football over 2 decades and then they lost another chunk once they retired the name and they will lose a few more when they settle on a name.

I concede your first point. Still think the ratio of fans leaving over the crap football and our franchise's reputation being in the shitter is probably 90% vs. the fans who left because of the name change.

Even here - how many fans do we have who publicly declared the name change was the last straw and they were out? Just for sample size. We got 1 guy here who says he might leave for continuity purposes.

[JackLord]

Originally Posted by mooby

I concede your first point. Still think the ratio of fans leaving over the crap football and our franchise's reputation being in the shitter is probably 90% vs. the fans who left because of the name change.

Even here - how many fans do we have who publicly declared the name change was the last straw and they were out? Just for sample size. We got 1 guy here who says he might leave for continuity purposes.

If Daniel Snyder started a brand new team anywhere but the DC area, would you become a fan?

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by mooby

I concede your first point. Still think the ratio of fans leaving over the crap football and our franchise's reputation being in the shitter is probably 90% vs. the fans who left because of the name change.

Even here - how many fans do we have who publicly declared the name change was the last straw and they were out? Just for sample size. We got 1 guy here who says he might leave for continuity purposes.

I'd imagine the name change affected the Redskins remaining diaspora more than the local fans when I say a chunk it wouldn't surprise me if they lost 40-50% their remaining fans that didn't live in the DC area. I stuck around because my solution was to ignore the change - ie I still only call them the Redskins, and only buy and wear Redskins gear (which is obviously now customized or pirated). Although, I do have a nice Chase Young Redskins jersey, which is an official NFL version, imagine that may be worth something in a few years (got it in May 2020).

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Well we know that isn't exactly true. The franchise lost a chunk (probably a substantial chunk) of their fan base when they retired the Redskins. No matter what they do with the new name they will lose some more. That will come into their calculations as well. The assumption at this point is WFT will do the least amount of immediate damage and they will have to balance that against what name they think has the most potential to regrow their diminished fan base.

Again, could be wrong, but I strongly disagree with that. Do you picture how stupid and lame they'd look if they kept the temporary name found in 2 weeks after 2 years+ of talking up their great rebranding process and how they value the trillions of fans input they bragged about receiving ?
Plus they talked many times about wanting to pick a long lasting name. How cheap will it look in 60+years : "wait, why did they stick with the no-name-name that was supposed to be temporary again ? -well some people were pissed about the name changed and they were scared to piss some more by picking a new name...".

[mooby]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Again, could be wrong, but I strongly disagree with that. Do you picture how stupid and lame they'd look if they kept the temporary name found in 2 weeks after 2 years+ of talking up their great rebranding process and how they value the trillions of fans input they bragged about receiving ?
Plus they talked many times about wanting to pick a long lasting name. How cheap will it look in 60+years : "wait, why did they stick with the no-name-name that was supposed to be temporary again ? -well some people were pissed about the name changed and they were scared to piss some more by picking a new name...".

"We got 40,000 submissions from the fans for our contest and we decided all of them are worse than Football Team."

Somehow, someway, Dan would find a way to make us hate him even more.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by mooby

"We got 40,000 submissions from the fans for our contest and we decided all of them are worse than Football Team."

Somehow, someway, Dan would find a way to make us hate him even more.

But, that statement may actually be true!

Warriors and Red Wolves were the only good options to me.

Or heck, go back to the original Braves name.


But no, everything is racist. *Official slogan of a certain political party*

[JackLord]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Again, could be wrong, but I strongly disagree with that. Do you picture how stupid and lame they'd look if they kept the temporary name found in 2 weeks after 2 years+ of talking up their great rebranding process and how they value the trillions of fans input they bragged about receiving ?
Plus they talked many times about wanting to pick a long lasting name. How cheap will it look in 60+years : "wait, why did they stick with the no-name-name that was supposed to be temporary again ? -well some people were pissed about the name changed and they were scared to piss some more by picking a new name...".

Sometimes the best option is to do nothing.

My personal desire is the new name retains continuity- a subtle link to our history. Something like Redwolves accomplishes that with ease and has no potential for any controversy.

But I would rather retain WFT (with an old fashioned block W please) than something lame like Generals. A brand new team with the same disagreeable owner is not an appealing option.