Fresh Start Political Thread

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by punch it in

How is Mitch escaping the wrath that Nancy is getting here?

Probably because he wasn't (officially at least) part of this compromise. The issue here is Pelosi basically stating she wants the whole loaf or nothing (an approach that has been common to both parties since 2009). This is the first compromise bill of major legislation that has been agreed too in the Senate since the Bush administration and it looks like she is going to sink it.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Probably because he wasn't (officially at least) part of this compromise. The issue here is Pelosi basically stating she wants the whole loaf or nothing (an approach that has been common to both parties since 2009). This is the first compromise bill of major legislation that has been agreed too in the Senate since the Bush administration and it looks like she is going to sink it.

So in other words it has happened about a million times in recent history but when Nancy Pelosi (every Republicans least favorite person after she told Trump to go scratch) happens to be the one standing in the way it is worse? I mean come on Nonniey Mitch McConnell is the poster child for” No way no how not even reading what’s on my desk “ if it comes from across the aisle. Lol. Nancy catches alot of ire ever since she stood up to the leader of the Republican party, and i never hear anything from the right about Mitch.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So in other words it has happened about a million times in recent history but when Nancy Pelosi (every Republicans least favorite person after she told Trump to go scratch) happens to be the one standing in the way it is worse? I mean come on Nonniey Mitch McConnell is the poster child for” No way no how not even reading what’s on my desk “ if it comes from across the aisle. Lol. Nancy catches alot of ire ever since she stood up to the leader of the Republican party, and i never hear anything from the right about Mitch.

This isn't one party stopping the other party's partisan proposals, this is the President and Pelosi screwing up a compromise bill put together by both parties. I can't think of one instance on major legislation since 2008 where an agreement has been reached within Congress between the two parties. So you are comparing (pine?)apples to oranges on this.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by nonniey

This isn't one party stopping the other party's partisan proposals, this is the President and Pelosi screwing up a compromise bill put together by both parties. I can't think of one instance on major legislation since 2008 where an agreement has been reached within Congress between the two parties. So you are comparing (pine?)apples to oranges on this.

Nah, you right. This is the first time in a while a bill that was compromised on by both sides of the aisle was held up due to party leadership on one side going hard-line on it.

When Mitch is in power, he just says straight up "we're not even going to look at this. FOH bitch ass dems."

But somehow what we're doing is worse. I guess we just need to refuse to even consider any conservative ideas.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by nonniey

This isn't one party stopping the other party's partisan proposals, this is the President and Pelosi screwing up a compromise bill put together by both parties. I can't think of one instance on major legislation since 2008 where an agreement has been reached within Congress between the two parties. So you are comparing (pine?)apples to oranges on this.

Well isn’t stopping the same as “screwing” up? Stopping, blocking, ignoring, counter offering…..
Pelosi and Biden wanting more in the bill is not screwing up. When the hell was the last time Republicans compromised on anything? Again McConnell does not even entertain most of what Dems in congress propose.

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/29/20977...emocrats-trump

From that article…

“McConnell calls himself the “grim reaper” of Democratic legislation he derides as socialist, but many of the bills that never see the Senate floor are bipartisan issues, like a universal background check bill, net neutrality, and reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act.”

Bipartisan issues there. Call it whatever fruit you would like, but at the end of the day it is halting progress. To me ignoring something is far worse than negotiations going nowhere. At least this was entertained.
The party of Mitch McConnell and Trump (whether he is in office or not he obviously has pull) has no business harping on Pelosi and Biden for halting progress in any way, shape, form, or fruit….none at all.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Well isn’t stopping the same as “screwing” up? Stopping, blocking, ignoring, counter offering…..
Pelosi and Biden wanting more in the bill is not screwing up. When the hell was the last time Republicans compromised on anything? Again McConnell does not even entertain most of what Dems in congress propose.

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/29/20977...emocrats-trump

From that article…

“McConnell calls himself the “grim reaper” of Democratic legislation he derides as socialist, but many of the bills that never see the Senate floor are bipartisan issues, like a universal background check bill, net neutrality, and reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act.”

Bipartisan issues there. Call it whatever fruit you would like, but at the end of the day it is halting progress. To me ignoring something is far worse than negotiations going nowhere. At least this was entertained.
The party of Mitch McConnell and Trump (whether he is in office or not he obviously has pull) has no business harping on Pelosi and Biden for halting progress in any way, shape, form, or fruit….none at all.

Again the point is they killed (unintentionally on Biden's part I think) a bill that both parties agreed to pass which is in fact different than killing legislation that only the other party was proposing. We have been in a whole loaf or nothing pattern since the ACA was passed - with the parties 100% opposed to legislation proposed (or allowing amendments to) by their political opponents. This compromise broke (or would have) that pattern and finally brought back some level of cross party cooperation. The result is instead of getting $1.2 trillion for infrastructure we'll get a big fat goose egg for infrastructure and the destructive pattern of no compromise will continue.