WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[BaltimoreSkins]

Lol I love how a 24 year old signing a 150 million+ deal is dumb. What 24 year old is turning that down?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Lol I love how a 24 year old signing a 150 million+ deal is dumb. What 24 year old is turning that down?

It is also funny how some fans are basically rooting for a Bruce Allen type move by the Texans:

A team in rebuilding mode stubbornly holding on to a player, who obviously doesn't want to play for the team anymore, and giving up compensation that can be used to rebuild the team.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It is also funny how some fans are basically rooting for a Bruce Allen type move by the Texans:

A team in rebuilding mode stubbornly holding on to a player, who obviously doesn't want to play for the team anymore, and giving up compensation that can be used to rebuild the team.

I agree the Texans may be better off trading him than having the situation rot even more. But the difference is BA effed up the Kirk Cousins situation by 1) not signing him earlier 2) low balling him 3) not trading him when it was obvious he wasn't going to stay AND he was under the tag so was going to be lost for nothing.

Watson just signed a 5y contract making him the 2nd highest paid QB in the league, that gives the Texans leverage, and some legitimacy to say "we're not trading a 25 years old franchise QB we just signed to a 5yr contract".

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I agree the Texans may be better off trading him than having the situation rot even more. But the difference is BA effed up the Kirk Cousins situation by 1) not signing him earlier 2) low balling him 3) not trading him when it was obvious he wasn't going to stay AND he was under the tag so was going to be lost for nothing.

Watson just signed a 5y contract making him the 2nd highest paid QB in the league, that gives the Texans leverage, and some legitimacy to say "we're not trading a 25 years old franchise QB we just signed to a 5yr contract".

Tricky situation. Gun to head, I'd trade him, just to move on. But I can totally see why Texans would want to hold onto him as well. The Texans have one of the best QB situations in the league, minus him trying to force a trade.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Tricky situation. Gun to head, I'd trade him, just to move on. But I can totally see why Texans would want to hold onto him as well. The Texans have one of the best QB situations in the league, minus him trying to force a trade.

I'm with you, with all the reasons to keep him, I think if one team is willing to put an absolute block-buster never seen before offer, you take it rather than dragging yourself into a lose-lose situation... Because if Deshaun starts sitting games, he'll lose money, but they'll lose trade leverage.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I'm with you, with all the reasons to keep him, I think if one team is willing to put an absolute block-buster never seen before offer, you take it rather than dragging yourself into a lose-lose situation... Because if Deshaun starts sitting games, he'll lose money, but they'll lose trade leverage.

But that's not how billionaires think. Especially not Texans ownership. They aren't caving ever. It is about real world up yours for screwing me, not about winning on the field.

[irish]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I agree the Texans may be better off trading him than having the situation rot even more. But the difference is BA effed up the Kirk Cousins situation by 1) not signing him earlier 2) low balling him 3) not trading him when it was obvious he wasn't going to stay AND he was under the tag so was going to be lost for nothing.

Watson just signed a 5y contract making him the 2nd highest paid QB in the league, that gives the Texans leverage, and some legitimacy to say "we're not trading a 25 years old franchise QB we just signed to a 5yr contract".

You forgot to mention signing Alex Smith to a big $ extension so BA could prove he can sign QBs to extensions. IMO that big $ extension was the cherry on $hit sundae.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by irish

You forgot to mention signing Alex Smith to a big $ extension so BA could prove he can sign QBs to extensions. IMO that big $ extension was the cherry on $hit sundae.

100%, and if we're going down that road, let's not forget how Alex' trade was made without any football people being informed nor asked for advise. Let's call that the puke topping laid over the cherry on our shit sundae.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by irish

You forgot to mention signing Alex Smith to a big $ extension so BA could prove he can sign QBs to extensions. IMO that big $ extension was the cherry on $hit sundae.

The extension when trading for a proven qb is the status quo in the NFL. The days are gone where you trade for a quality qb and make him play out the rest of his deal before signing a new one (unless the guy just recently got a new long term deal in the last 2 years like Watson). A good qb is not going to agree to a trade with under 2 years left on his deal unless the trading team agrees to an extension too. Not to mention if you're the team trading for him, why would you not want to sign him to an extension? If you didn't believe in the guy or had doubts, why would you give up serious draft capital for them?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I agree the Texans may be better off trading him than having the situation rot even more. But the difference is BA effed up the Kirk Cousins situation by 1) not signing him earlier 2) low balling him 3) not trading him when it was obvious he wasn't going to stay AND he was under the tag so was going to be lost for nothing.

Watson just signed a 5y contract making him the 2nd highest paid QB in the league, that gives the Texans leverage, and some legitimacy to say "we're not trading a 25 years old franchise QB we just signed to a 5yr contract".

Regardless of the situation with Cousins or Trent, Bruce Allen was stubborn and refused to acknowledge that it was better for the team to trade both players and he didn't.

Houston may have a star QB, but have no draft capital or cap space to build around Watson.

They are either going to have a bad 2021 season with no draft capital this year and Watson sitting out during the season OR have a bad 2021 season with extra first round picks in 2022 and 2023. I'd rather have the latter.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Regardless of the situation with Cousins or Trent, Bruce Allen was stubborn and refused to acknowledge that it was better for the team to trade both players and he didn't.

Houston may have a star QB, but have no draft capital or cap space to build around Watson.

They are either going to have a bad 2021 season with no draft capital this year and Watson sitting out during the season OR have a bad 2021 season with extra first round picks in 2022 and 2023. I'd rather have the latter.

Agreed. This is why it's better to just deal a disgruntled player than call his bluff and have to put up with it until he does get dealt.

We could've gotten way more than a 3rd and a 5th for Trent and a third for Kirk if he had just acknowledged the inevitable and put them on the block. Not only does it make us look bad, in regards to Kirk here we are 3 seasons after he left and we've ran through umpteen qb's looking for his replacement.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Lol I love how a 24 year old signing a 150 million+ deal is dumb. What 24 year old is turning that down?

Exactly. And also you have seen this trend of the superstar player having more leverage through a slowly weakening CBA. The owners still have the leverage over 90% of their players but every team has 2 - 3 players that have set themselves in the right place financially and contractually to have a lot more say in their employment even after they sign the contract. I think as good agents learn those loopholes and structures we are going to be seeing this more often from star players, especially on teams that have dysfunctional front offices.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Exactly. And also you have seen this trend of the superstar player having more leverage through a slowly weakening CBA. The owners still have the leverage over 90% of their players but every team has 2 - 3 players that have set themselves in the right place financially and contractually to have a lot more say in their employment even after they sign the contract. I think as good agents learn those loopholes and structures we are going to be seeing this more often from star players, especially on teams that have dysfunctional front offices.

Yeah plus it is not like he is going to a competitor and taking his money from Houston as well. He is holding out, not getting paid. It is the confines of the CBA. Under current constructs the CBA favors high value players and ownership. I think as long as they can keep their hold on most of their product they will tolerate a few headaches here and there. How many times has a hold out like this happened? Only a handful

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Lol I love how a 24 year old signing a 150 million+ deal is dumb. What 24 year old is turning that down?

Watson was going to be wealthy regardless. You can't sign a mega deal and then turn around in less than a year and want out cause mgt doesn't consult w/ you.

If he truly wanted out and he saw warning signs then do what Cousins did.

Now Wilson is crying. Again he didn't have to sign a deal w/ Seattle. He could have played until his deal ended and then went to one year deals until it was too expensive for the team to keep him.

Wilson and Watson to me are cry babies. It ain't your job to pick players. Not your job to tell the owner what to do. Russ should give back some of his $ so Seattle can sign Trent if he wants a linemen so bad.

Cousins is brilliant and played the system to a tee. He held the team hostage. Not sure why other QB's don't do the same thing.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Watson was going to be wealthy regardless. You can't sign a mega deal and then turn around in less than a year and want out cause mgt doesn't consult w/ you.

If he truly wanted out and he saw warning signs then do what Cousins did.

Now Wilson is crying. Again he didn't have to sign a deal w/ Seattle. He could have played until his deal ended and then went to one year deals until it was too expensive for the team to keep him.

Wilson and Watson to me are cry babies. It ain't your job to pick players. Not your job to tell the owner what to do. Russ should give back some of his $ so Seattle can sign Trent if he wants a linemen so bad.

Cousins is brilliant and played the system to a tee. He held the team hostage. Not sure why other QB's don't do the same thing.

1. Spot on about the HOLES like Wilson and Watson.
2. Most QBs can't play the system the way Cousins did because their teams have competent or at least non-moron owners and GMs, LOL. The franchise tag is supposed to serve owners and keep best players from hitting true FA, only THE DAN could allow it to be turned against ownership, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL. Epic duncery.
3. Let Wilson continue to get pummeled. Serves him right. Like all running QBs, he is losing a step as he ages. He sees the writing on the wall. Only a matter of time until he starts getting hit more and more and gets hurt badly. This is the fate of all running QBs without exception.