Chaos at the Capitol: New thread edition

[sdskinsfan2001]

Did the Obama administration do a worse job handling election integrity in 2016 than the average administration? Or was it about the same, but it's just way more discussed, researched, etc., by both sides, for the 2016 election?

Because I don't think any of us are arguing that Russia or China or any country with the capability to do so, just started interfering in 2016 (well after reading above, maybe G1 believes that).

Did Trump discuss, manipulate, use, get played, etc. with foreign countries more than any other president ever? It's a possibility. But was the absolute dedication to destroy his presidency why it just seems that way? This is where this site splinters. The democrats in power, imo, were hellbent on destroying Trump since the moment he won the election. And they were going to do whatever it took to do so. Granted, Trump made it so fucking easy, but still.

I don't care what evidence there was, there wasn't enough for collusion or that's what he would have been impeached on in the house, which what the impeachment witch hunt originated from. They couldn't prove it sufficiently enough, so they just moved the goalposts to obstruction. And voted 100% party line, but democrats had the house majority so it passed. And democrats just pretended like there was absolutely no difference between what the original charge was and obstruction, while also simultaneously pretending like he was still guilty of collusion anyways, even though that wasn't what the evidence proved sufficiently. My personal belief is just that democrats wanted to drag the whole process out as long as possible to fog up Trump's 1st term. And they succeeded. The "investigation" took 2+ years. There was no actual goal to remove Trump. That would have just been icing on the cake. In hindsight, that might have been better for Republicans. Then Pence would've been the president.

Hating Trump is so easy it's just easy to ignore everything that happened before him.

All this being said, I can't wait for January 21st. What Trump has done the past 6 or so months is a fucking embarrassment to this country. And makes everyone that argued against him look 100% correct about his whole term. Trump destroyed the republican party. I mean I didn't even care that both GA R Senators lost. Maybe with the democrats having full power for at least 2 years, we can all move on, and have some important elections in 2022 based on actual policies, laws, etc.

And lastly, I can't wait to wake up tomorrow, come on here, and have a 2nd asshole torn for myself.

'Merica

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Did the Obama administration do a worse job handling election integrity in 2016 than the average administration? Or was it about the same, but it's just way more discussed, researched, etc., by both sides, for the 2016 election?

Because I don't think any of us are arguing that Russia or China or any country with the capability to do so, just started interfering in 2016 (well after reading above, maybe G1 believes that).

Did Trump discuss, manipulate, use, get played, etc. with foreign countries more than any other president ever? It's a possibility. But was the absolute dedication to destroy his presidency why it just seems that way? This is where this site splinters. The democrats in power, imo, were hellbent on destroying Trump since the moment he won the election. And they were going to do whatever it took to do so. Granted, Trump made it so fucking easy, but still.

I don't care what evidence there was, there wasn't enough for collusion or that's what he would have been impeached on in the house, which what the impeachment witch hunt originated from. They couldn't prove it sufficiently enough, so they just moved the goalposts to obstruction. And voted 100% party line, but democrats had the house majority so it passed. And democrats just pretended like there was absolutely no difference between what the original charge was and obstruction, while also simultaneously pretending like he was still guilty of collusion anyways, even though that wasn't what the evidence proved sufficiently. My personal belief is just that democrats wanted to drag the whole process out as long as possible to fog up Trump's 1st term. And they succeeded. The "investigation" took 2+ years. There was no actual goal to remove Trump. That would have just been icing on the cake. In hindsight, that might have been better for Republicans. Then Pence would've been the president.

Hating Trump is so easy it's just easy to ignore everything that happened before him.

All this being said, I can't wait for January 21st. What Trump has done the past 6 or so months is a fucking embarrassment to this country. And makes everyone that argued against him look 100% correct about his whole term. Trump destroyed the republican party. I mean I didn't even care that both GA R Senators lost. Maybe with the democrats having full power for at least 2 years, we can all move on, and have some important elections in 2022 based on actual policies, laws, etc.

And lastly, I can't wait to wake up tomorrow, come on here, and have a 2nd asshole torn for myself.

'Merica

I think the rise of disinformation due to social media makes the integrity more pronounced in 2016. Obama used social media but it still wasn't widely embraced as method of communication by him and his staff. Trump, who always had a social media presence, was the first to really use it effectively and other candidates really followed his foot steps. Since social media isn't regulated and fact check like the media it allowed the spread of disinformation. I read an interesting research paper back in 2017 ( if I can find it I will post it) how a group of individuals in Cyprus started posting fake news stories about Trump and Clinton prior to the 2016 election the goal was to generate revenue they quickly found fake news about Clinton spread much faster and generated more clicks and therefore more dollars than the Trump fake news. Like any good business men they ceased to focus on the inferior product and doubled their efforts on fake news Clinton stories. If a group of twenty somethings trying to make a buck with a small server can spread lies and undermine our election it is easy to see how China and Russia can easily do the same.

For the record I don't think he colluded, he is just a dumb ass and brought the investigation on himself when he openly looked at the camera in a debate on national television and asked Russia to hack and release Clinton emails.

[Giantone]

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