Chaos at the Capitol: New thread edition

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Nope wasn’t enabled by your second paragraph, that’s horseshit. The dc mayor fucked up on security Bigly and you’re giving her a pass...she’s a idiot as you can see in her past decisions.

Trump deserves the blame for the rhetoric and conspiracy theories on the election because once you lost in court it was over.

You are rightfully correct in calling out these extreme fringe quaon and proud boys groups...but like I’ve stated, its easy to see how we got here. When the nation was lied to for 3 years are the media and democratic lawmakers called the trump election illegitimate and Russian collusion and under the same rhetoric the president called the election process illegitimate...you are able to manipulate some dumbasses.

But remember, even after multiple investigations which found no evidence of Russian collusion, some mental midgets still believe trump was illegitimate elected and colluded with Russia...

You see how stupid people can be manipulated? To actually believe these conspiracy theories...its crazy I tell ya

I'm not giving the mayor a pass, fuck her and anyone else involved in the lax security too. Somebody high-ranking either intentionally spread the ranks thin, or somebody else was in a pissing match with the feds and told them to stay home. Or they ignored all the fucking intelligence that they were planning something for Jan. 6th. Either way fuck them all. We just showed the world that we can't secure literally the most important building in the US.

The problem I have with you is you keep trying to use this as an opportunity to have a discuss about why both sides have problems. Just take the L. Dems have problems too, nobody is denying that. But instead of just decrying radical speech that led conservatives to this point, you just backtrack to collusion. And it's pointless continuing that discussion because you have never once acknowledged Mueller's words on the subject.

Originally Posted by WaPo

Schiff walked through several other claims that the president has made. Schiff noted that Mueller’s report identified outreach attempts from Russia to Trump’s campaign.

“The campaign welcomed the Russian help did they not?” Schiff asked.

“I think we report in the report indications that that occurred, yes,” Mueller said.

"When the president said the Russian interference was a hoax, that was false, wasn't it?" Schiff asked later.

“True,” Mueller replied.

I'm done with that argument, you think it was a hoax and a fraud and it's been repeatedly established Mueller didn't charge Trump with anything because of legal DOJ precedent saying POTUS can't be charged with a crime. We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that. Let it go.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

I'm not giving the mayor a pass, fuck her and anyone else involved in the lax security too. Somebody high-ranking either intentionally spread the ranks thin, or somebody else was in a pissing match with the feds and told them to stay home. Or they ignored all the fucking intelligence that they were planning something for Jan. 6th. Either way fuck them all. We just showed the world that we can't secure literally the most important building in the US.

The problem I have with you is you keep trying to use this as an opportunity to have a discuss about why both sides have problems. Just take the L. Dems have problems too, nobody is denying that. But instead of just decrying radical speech that led conservatives to this point, you just backtrack to collusion. And it's pointless continuing that discussion because you have never once acknowledged Mueller's words on the subject.



I'm done with that argument, you think it was a hoax and a fraud and it's been repeatedly established Mueller didn't charge Trump with anything because of legal DOJ precedent saying POTUS can't be charged with a crime. We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that. Let it go.

On the obstruction of justice charge. Again, he found zero evidence of collusion with Russia

This is exactly how people are manipulating from dishonest media and political figures. There was NO evidence of collusion by Trump, family, administration etc.

Folks it’s easy to see why there are people who believe the election was stolen in a vote by mail scenario.

Mooby, Adam Schiff lied to the American people for 3 years: google the transcripts

All the Adam Schiff Transcripts
Newly released documents show he knew all along that there was no proof of Russia-Trump collusion.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

On the obstruction of justice charge. Again, he found zero evidence of collusion with Russia

This is exactly how people are manipulating from dishonest media and political figures. There was NO evidence of collusion by Trump, family, administration etc.

Folks it’s easy to see why there are people who believe the election was stolen in a vote by mail scenario.

chico answer the question I put to you!

[Giantone]

More chicken shit republicans.............
https://www.yahoo.com/news/six-repub...225945766.html

Six Republican lawmakers among rioters as police release photos of wanted

Gustaf Kilander

At least six Republican state legislators took part in events surrounding the storming of the US Capitol. West Virginia Delegate Derrick Evans posted a video of himself entering the building but later deleted it, The New York Times reported.

This comes as the FBI and DC Police released images of people wanted on federal charges for violently storming the US Capitol. They are trying to track down 36 people after 68 were already arrested after violent clashes with police as the Trump-supporting mob broke into the Capitol, forcing members of Congress to evacuate and seek shelter in undisclosed locations. Four rioters died and 56 officers were injured in the ensuing chaos. One officer remains in hospital after being beaten and tased by the mob.

Charges include inciting a riot and weapons violations. Rioters scaled the Capitol building, defaced statues, committed countless acts of vandalism and fought with police.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by chico23231

on the obstruction of justice charge. Again, he found zero evidence of collusion with russia



this is exactly how people are manipulating from dishonest media and political figures. There was no evidence of collusion by trump, family, administration etc.



Folks it’s easy to see why there are people who believe the election was stolen in a vote by mail scenario.



Mooby, adam schiff lied to the american people for 3 years: Google the transcripts



all the adam schiff transcripts

newly released documents show he knew all along that there was no proof of russia-trump collusion.

wrong

[Giantone]

trump Officially Kicked Off Twitter

https://www.yahoo.com/news/twitter-s...234321450.html

Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account


Yahoo News
Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account
David Knowles

Twitter said it issued a “permanent suspension” of Donald Trump’s account on Friday evening in the latest escalation by social media companies against a president they accuse of spreading misinformation and inciting violence.

In a post to the site, Twitter explained its decision to block Trump from sharing posts with his 88.7 million followers, citing the attack on the U.S. Capitol by a mob of pro-Trump supporters.

“After close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them, we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence,” the company said. “In the context of horrific events this week, we made it clear on Wednesday that additional violations of the Twitter Rules would potentially result in this very course of action. Our public interest framework exists to enable the public to hear from elected officials and world leaders directly. It is built on a principle that the people have a right to hold power to account in the open.”

“However, we made it clear going back years that these accounts are not above our rules entirely and cannot use Twitter to incite violence, among other things,” the statement continued. “We will continue to be transparent around our policies and their enforcement.”

A day earlier, Facebook suspended Trump’s account on its platform for similar reasons. Initially, Twitter removed a handful of Trump’s tweets that came after the siege on the Capitol. For months it had flagged posts by the president that the site said contained misinformation

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

wrong

Another example of how even after all the facts are found, it still doesn’t matter...this is how people are manipulated into believing conspiracy theories such Trump colluded with Russia or an election was stolen from Trump.

It’s easy to see how we got here

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Another example of how even after all the facts are found, it still doesn’t matter...this is how people are manipulated into believing conspiracy theories such Trump colluded with Russia or an election was stolen from Trump.

It’s easy to see how we got here

It's easy to see how YOU got there. You keep harping on collusion and ignore the facts that they found russia had meddled with the 2016 election .People went to jail, they were found guilty but like any other trump loyalist you ignore real facts and make up your own.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

On the obstruction of justice charge. Again, he found zero evidence of collusion with Russia.

Where are you getting this nonsense from? I can tell you definitely didn't read the 400+ pages and just going off Hannity or Trump's rendition of it. Mueller clearly stated they weren't looking for "collusion" and they were looking for a criminal conspiracy. They found plenty of evidence, but not enough to be able to convict a criminal conspiracy. I said from day one that they would probably never get enough evidence to convict on it since it's a hard charge to argue in court. You have to prove both parties were in on the conspiracy and both had to gain.

You may not want to read the 400 pages, but this is enough breakdown to debunk your talking points.

https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/g...-on-collusion/


If you want to make the point that the Trump campaign didn't criminally conspire with Russia then yes, that is correct (based on what evidence could prove). If you want to make the assertion that the Trump campaign didn't seek out help from them and welcome interference then you are 100% wrong. That is something the Mueller report does clearly show. Me personally, I think a good deal of evidence lies with Paul Manafort who wouldn't cooperate. Sorry, but giving campaign data to a Russian intelligence officer so they could micro-target their disinformation campaign on social media is probably criminal. There again, it's what you can prove in a court of law that ultimately matter.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Where are you getting this nonsense from? I can tell you definitely didn't read the 400+ pages and just going off Hannity or Trump's rendition of it. Mueller clearly stated they weren't looking for "collusion" and they were looking for a criminal conspiracy. They found plenty of evidence, but not enough to be able to convict a criminal conspiracy. I said from day one that they would probably never get enough evidence to convict on it since it's a hard charge to argue in court. You have to prove both parties were in on the conspiracy and both had to gain.

You may not want to read the 400 pages, but this is enough breakdown to debunk your talking points.

https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/g...-on-collusion/


If you want to make the point that the Trump campaign didn't criminally conspire with Russia then yes, that is correct (based on what evidence could prove). If you want to make the assertion that the Trump campaign didn't seek out help from them and welcome interference then you are 100% wrong. That is something the Mueller report does clearly show. Me personally, I think a good deal of evidence lies with Paul Manafort who wouldn't cooperate. Sorry, but giving campaign data to a Russian intelligence officer so they could micro-target their disinformation campaign on social media is probably criminal. There again, it's what you can prove in a court of law that ultimately matter.

My man, first attempt to discredit my statement “as opinion such as”hannity or trumps rendition...no these are the facts: no collusion with Russia was found after thorough, multiple investigations. Period. No talking points, but just the single fact.

Oh my bad I didn’t know the audience I was speaking too, i forgot the Warpath was a legal message board and I shouldn’t be using the term collusion but mueller doc language conspiracy. Collusion is the term media and the general public used during the investigation. So no conspiracy was found...happy?

So you can go all over the internet to pull up “opinions and interpretations”on the mueller findings that seek to validate your biased opinion...just like others that will seek out the same biased writings on “illegal voters rolls in Nevada, vote by mail laws in Pennsylvania and illegal counting of votes in Georgia after observers have gone” about this years “illegitimate elections.”

Continue to confide with others across the internet and social media to validate your view...you all obviously know better than others who did the leg work. Your last paragraph is filled with the weak language based on assumption “probably, I think, etc” which forms a biased opinion.

NC skins I’m not calling you an idiot or dumbass...nothing like that, I’m saying look at how we got here and is it really surprising?