Around the NFL week 8

[SunnySide]

https://larrybrownsports.com/footbal...penalty/566977

Russel Wilson's kinda fake slide that drew a controversial penalty on 9ers Jimmie Ward.

I think we talked about this last week, some QBs (Mahomes, Jackson) seem to use defenders hesitation to touching them to their advantage like faking or delaying going out of bounds to get a few more yards since the defenders hold up not wanting to draw a flag on a sideline hit.

or sliding late or waiting until the last second getting as much yards as possible before late sliding right in front of a defender.

Im glad this is being talked about. I think we drew a 15 yard penalty when one of our guys hit Daniel Jones when he was kinda diving forward vs sliding. refs gave him protection for some reason.

I think QBs should have to slide early if they want protection. I dont think you should be able to slide if a defender is within a 2 yard circumference of you.

Also noticed it seems like they are spotting the ball where the QB slides ends vs before they would spot it right where the Qb first starts his slide.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

https://larrybrownsports.com/footbal...penalty/566977

Russel Wilson's kinda fake slide that drew a controversial penalty on 9ers Jimmie Ward.

I think we talked about this last week, some QBs (Mahomes, Jackson) seem to use defenders hesitation to touching them to their advantage like faking or delaying going out of bounds to get a few more yards since the defenders hold up not wanting to draw a flag on a sideline hit.

or sliding late or waiting until the last second getting as much yards as possible before late sliding right in front of a defender.

Im glad this is being talked about. I think we drew a 15 yard penalty when one of our guys hit Daniel Jones when he was kinda diving forward vs sliding. refs gave him protection for some reason.

I think QBs should have to slide early if they want protection. I dont think you should be able to slide if a defender is within a 2 yard circumference of you.

Also noticed it seems like they are spotting the ball where the QB slides ends vs before they would spot it right where the Qb first starts his slide.

I'm pretty sure NFL QBs get the same protection whether they are sliding feet first or head first, and the ball should be spotted where the slide began - wherever the ball is when the first body part (other than the feet) touches the ground. If a ref spotted it at the end of the slide, it was a bad spot.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm pretty sure NFL QBs get the same protection whether they are sliding feet first or head first, and the ball should be spotted where the slide began - wherever the ball is when the first body part (other than the feet) touches the ground. If a ref spotted it at the end of the slide, it was a bad spot.

I don't think so, a QB running with the ball, especially past the LoS, is a runner and has no particular protection.
If he slides feet first though, you're right, he gives himself up, forward progress is stopped at the beginning of the slide, and he becomes a defenseless player so contact to the head and neck area is prohibited... but technically a defender doesn't need to touch him, the play is over when he begins sliding.

Now, I agree it should be made clear that:

-you can't fake slide, if you begin to slide, the play is over

-you don't get specific protection if you're making a move and then slide at the last second. Like either make it 2 yards from a defender or "defender has to have a reasonable react time".

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I don't think so, a QB running with the ball, especially past the LoS, is a runner and has no particular protection.
If he slides feet first though, you're right, he gives himself up, forward progress is stopped at the beginning of the slide, and he becomes a defenseless player so contact to the head and neck area is prohibited... but technically a defender doesn't need to touch him, the play is over when he begins sliding.

Now, I agree it should be made clear that:

-you can't fake slide, if you begin to slide, the play is over

-you don't get specific protection if you're making a move and then slide at the last second. Like either make it 2 yards from a defender or "defender has to have a reasonable react time".

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-first-slides/

That's where I got that...unless it is already been changed back...

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-first-slides/

That's where I got that...unless it is already been changed back...

Wow... I sure hope there's some sort of misinterpretation there... Because that rule doesn't make ANY sense IMO... Especially since it seems to be concerning all ball carrier, not just QBs...

[skinsfan69]

Daniel Jones is slightly better than Haskins. He is a backup QB.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Daniel Jones is slightly better than Haskins. He is a backup QB.

Both suck, he's a little more accurate but not much

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm pretty sure NFL QBs get the same protection whether they are sliding feet first or head first, and the ball should be spotted where the slide began - wherever the ball is when the first body part (other than the feet) touches the ground. If a ref spotted it at the end of the slide, it was a bad spot.

hey Chief .. good call. They changed the rule to protect for head first slides back in 2018 as well. Now I know.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

https://larrybrownsports.com/footbal...penalty/566977

Russel Wilson's kinda fake slide that drew a controversial penalty on 9ers Jimmie Ward.

I think we talked about this last week, some QBs (Mahomes, Jackson) seem to use defenders hesitation to touching them to their advantage like faking or delaying going out of bounds to get a few more yards since the defenders hold up not wanting to draw a flag on a sideline hit.

or sliding late or waiting until the last second getting as much yards as possible before late sliding right in front of a defender.

Im glad this is being talked about. I think we drew a 15 yard penalty when one of our guys hit Daniel Jones when he was kinda diving forward vs sliding. refs gave him protection for some reason.

I think QBs should have to slide early if they want protection. I dont think you should be able to slide if a defender is within a 2 yard circumference of you.

Also noticed it seems like they are spotting the ball where the QB slides ends vs before they would spot it right where the Qb first starts his slide.

I watched that live and said to myself straight away that flag should've been picked up. It wasn't a proper slide as he was too close to the defenders to give them much option, and the hit was hardly all that; can't be she but it looked to me like he was letting up at the last second but to close to avoid it. A slide should be a clear effort by the QB to give up on forward progress, not a last second decision.