Ron Rivera Thread

[irish]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Nice, looks like a coach with 3 winning seasons out of 9. Get my britches tickly.

I'm amazed at how people act like RR is a hugely successful coach, he's barely above .500 with a franchise that is nowhere near as screwed up as WFT. He's a good hire for now because he's stable but I'll be amazed if he's here in 5 years.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by irish

I'm amazed at how people act like RR is a hugely successful coach, he's barely above .500 with a franchise that is nowhere near as screwed up as WFT. He's a good hire for now because he's stable but I'll be amazed if he's here in 5 years.

He has had success in the pro level, went to a Super Bowl.

Has his teams been perennial winners? No. He;s averaged 9 wins a season and went to the playoffs 4 of the last 7 years...how have the Redskins done?

I do believe Cam Newton is horribly overrated due to his "look at me 24/7 act" and media loving it. He's a HORRIBLE passer.

Despite his team's offensive troubles, his team has always had great defenses up until last season, always ranked in the top half of the league, usually Top 10, and even top-ranked in the NFL in 2015.

The strength of Coach Rivera is his team's discipline, he's a man that puts his foot down and players will follow him. That's EXACTLY what this team needs after the far-too-many years given to Gruden's incompetent free-for-all orgy atmosphere. Before that we had Jim Zorn! This team has lacked a read leader at Head Coach for a LONG, LONG time.

Even if we don't win right out of the gate, he'll bring some respectability and stability back to this team. We need that more than wins right now, as that's the first step in getting back to being successful on the field.

He's the right man at the right time.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

He has had success in the pro level, went to a Super Bowl.

Has his teams been perennial winners? No. He;s averaged 9 wins a season and went to the playoffs 4 of the last 7 years...how have the Redskins done?

I do believe Cam Newton is horribly overrated due to his "look at me 24/7 act" and media loving it. He's a HORRIBLE passer.

Despite his team's offensive troubles, his team has always had great defenses up until last season, always ranked in the top half of the league, usually Top 10, and even top-ranked in the NFL in 2015.

The strength of Coach Rivera is his team's discipline, he's a man that puts his foot down and players will follow him. That's EXACTLY what this team needs after the far-too-many years given to Gruden's incompetent free-for-all orgy atmosphere. Before that we had Jim Zorn! This team has lacked a read leader at Head Coach for a LONG, LONG time.

Even if we don't win right out of the gate, he'll bring some respectability and stability back to this team. We need that more than wins right now, as that's the first step in getting back to being successful on the field.

He's the right man at the right time.

RR is the best this team could have done so I give WFT that. His 9 win average is way better than WFT but considering the talent level he's had his results should be better.

I agree that he seems like a disciplinarian and this year the Club Jay atmosphere will likely be gone but as long as DS is the owner that discipline will only go so far. Will DS listen to RR and let him run the team his way, maybe. But until I see it happen I suspect RR will be another in a long line of WFT flame outs.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by irish

RR is the best this team could have done so I give WFT that. His 9 win average is way better than WFT but considering the talent level he's had his results should be better.

I agree that he seems like a disciplinarian and this year the Club Jay atmosphere will likely be gone but as long as DS is the owner that discipline will only go so far. Will DS listen to RR and let him run the team his way, maybe. But until I see it happen I suspect RR will be another in a long line of WFT flame outs.

I have the feeling we MIGHT see a tightening up in the front office after the scandal made national news...not because Dan wants to change how he runs things, but because he knows everyone will be watching now and sponsors need to be kept happy. Bad press does cost him money.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I have the feeling we MIGHT see a tightening up in the front office after the scandal made national news...not because Dan wants to change how he runs things, but because he knows everyone will be watching now and sponsors need to be kept happy. Bad press does cost him money.

I agree that Dan will change the way he does certain things like how the organization treats women and not being so arrogant. But in the end certain players will still have direct access to him and when they don't like what RR is doing will let DS know they are unhappy. As we know, DS will "handle" it from there.

My point about RR is that he was a decent (not great) HC at Carolina with an organization that had lots of talent and was well run. Now he is at the most dysfunctional poorly run organization in the NFL. Not only is he the head coach of a team lacking talent, he's the de-facto GM, chief culture changer, name change committee member, and Dan Snyder "shield". Just coaching would be difficult enough but he's taken on all these other roles as well which I don't think does anything to help the team's chances to win. God bless him if he can pull all this off, and I hope he does, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree that Dan will change the way he does certain things like how the organization treats women and not being so arrogant. But in the end certain players will still have direct access to him and when they don't like what RR is doing will let DS know they are unhappy. As we know, DS will "handle" it from there.



My point about RR is that he was a decent (not great) HC at Carolina with an organization that had lots of talent and was well run. Now he is at the most dysfunctional poorly run organization in the NFL. Not only is he the head coach of a team lacking talent, he's the de-facto GM, chief culture changer, name change committee member, and Dan Snyder "shield". Just coaching would be difficult enough but he's taken on all these other roles as well which I don't think does anything to help the team's chances to win. God bless him if he can pull all this off, and I hope he does, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Didn't Carolinas owner get canned while RR was coach. Not sure how functional they were. Maybe better then Snyders Skins but they had issues. Let's see how RR does. So far i am good with the direction and pace the organization has taken.

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[irish]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Didn't Carolinas owner get canned while RR was coach. Not sure how functional they were. Maybe better then Snyders Skins but they had issues. Let's see how RR does. So far i am good with the direction and pace the organization has taken.

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He was forced to sell because of sexual misconduct and racial comments. It was more of a personal thing with him than an organization-wide problem like WFT had. I hope RR works out but coaches with better resumes and Super Bowl wins haven't had success working for DS so I'm not holding out much hope for RR.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by irish

I'm amazed at how people act like RR is a hugely successful coach, he's barely above .500 with a franchise that is nowhere near as screwed up as WFT. He's a good hire for now because he's stable but I'll be amazed if he's here in 5 years.

With that logic Bill Bellichick would not be a head coach. At his first head coaching position in the NFL from 1991 until 1995, Belichick was the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. During his tenure in Cleveland, he compiled a 36–44 record.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

With that logic Bill Bellichick would not be a head coach. At his first head coaching position in the NFL from 1991 until 1995, Belichick was the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. During his tenure in Cleveland, he compiled a 36–44 record.

What? I'm not saying RR shouldn't be a head coach, I'm saying he's a bit over-hyped for his record. I don't recall Bellicheck being hyped up as a great coach, in fact I remember people thinking NE was crazy for hiring him.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by irish

What? I'm not saying RR shouldn't be a head coach, I'm saying he's a bit over-hyped for his record. I don't recall Bellicheck being hyped up as a great coach, in fact I remember people thinking NE was crazy for hiring him.

Bill Parcells, whom Belichick had worked with at multiple stops including both the Jets and Giants, had decided to step back from coaching and Belichick was going to succeed him with the Jets. On January 3, Belichick accepted the job. On January 4, he handed in his now-infamous resignation, which written on a napkin: “I resign as HC of the NYJ.”

In a press conference, Belichick cited the Jets’ ownership situation for his decision.

While Jets fans will never forgive Belichick for leaving them high and dry — the team would hire Al Groh as head coach when Belichick backed out, and he lasted for just one 9-7 season — Parcells brokered a deal between the franchises that let Belichick out of his Jets contract and allowed him to join the Patriots.

On Monday, New England tweeted a picture of the fax from Parcells to Kraft, captioning it, “The greatest trade in NFL history.” The fax said in part, “The New York Jets hereby grant permission to the New York Patriots to talk to Bill Belichick about any position they desire.”

20 years ago today: the greatest trade in NFL history. pic.twitter.com/izcPs4h0GV
— New England Patriots (@Patriots) January 27, 2020

If Belichick accepted a position and reported to work on or before Jan. 30, 2000, then the Patriots would surrender their first-round pick (16th overall) in 2000, and fourth- and seventh-round picks in 2001 to New York, and the Jets gave New England a fifth-round pick in ‘01 and a seventh-rounder in ‘02.
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