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Old 12-12-2019, 09:05 AM   #1
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Harvard Law Professor Dismantles Key GOP Argument Against Impeachment Of Trump


Harvard constitutional law professor Laurence Tribe on Wednesday took apart a key Republican argument against the impeachment of President Donald Trump over the Ukraine scandal.

Tribe, appearing on MSNBC’s “All In with Chris Hayes” said some Republicans were “missing the point” by claiming abuse of power (one of two articles of impeachment that House Democrats have released against Trump, the other being obstruction of Congress) is “not a crime.”

“It is the highest crime against the Constitution,” said Tribe. “And in this case the impeachment articles are carefully written to show the aggregating circumstances.”

“This isn’t just using the president’s power to benefit himself,” Tribe added. “But it’s doing that in a way that endangers our national security and that corrupts the electoral process by inviting foreign involvement.”

Tribe, who advised the House Judiciary Committee on how to draft the articles of impeachment, earlier explained why the articles were “the classic high crimes and misdemeanors.”

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Abuse of power is what the impeachment clause was all about. The idea of using the power of the presidency not to protect the nation but to benefit one’s self and especially one’s reelection. In fact, in the debates around the framing of the Constitution, the big question about the impeachment power was ‘do we really need it, or is it enough, because the president will have to stand for reelection if it’s going to be ahead of him?’ The answer to that was ‘what if he corrupts the election process? What if he uses his power to reframe the election so that he rigs the system? We can’t afford to wait.’ That was the whole reason not to wait for the quadrennial election to take place.

Tribe concluded by claiming that “as a historic matter, this is the clearest case we’ve ever seen in the use of the impeachment power.”

“Especially when you add the second article, which basically says that if the president will not in any way cooperate with the process” then “we really do have a president who is a dictator and if this isn’t impeachable, as many have said, then nothing is. That’s the theory of this case.”
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Old 12-16-2019, 08:29 PM   #2
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Harvard Law Professor Dismantles Key GOP Argument Against Impeachment Of Trump


Harvard constitutional law professor Laurence Tribe on Wednesday took apart a key Republican argument against the impeachment of President Donald Trump over the Ukraine scandal.

Tribe, appearing on MSNBC’s “All In with Chris Hayes” said some Republicans were “missing the point” by claiming abuse of power (one of two articles of impeachment that House Democrats have released against Trump, the other being obstruction of Congress) is “not a crime.”

“It is the highest crime against the Constitution,” said Tribe. “And in this case the impeachment articles are carefully written to show the aggregating circumstances.”

“This isn’t just using the president’s power to benefit himself,” Tribe added. “But it’s doing that in a way that endangers our national security and that corrupts the electoral process by inviting foreign involvement.”

Tribe, who advised the House Judiciary Committee on how to draft the articles of impeachment, earlier explained why the articles were “the classic high crimes and misdemeanors.”

He said:

Abuse of power is what the impeachment clause was all about. The idea of using the power of the presidency not to protect the nation but to benefit one’s self and especially one’s reelection. In fact, in the debates around the framing of the Constitution, the big question about the impeachment power was ‘do we really need it, or is it enough, because the president will have to stand for reelection if it’s going to be ahead of him?’ The answer to that was ‘what if he corrupts the election process? What if he uses his power to reframe of powerelection so that he rigs the system? We can’t afford to wait.’ That was the whole reason not to wait for the quadrennial election to take place.

Tribe concluded by claiming that “as a historic matter, this is the clearest case we’ve ever seen in the use of the impeachment power.”

“Especially when you add the second article, which basically says that if the president will not in any way cooperate with the process” then “we really do have a president who is a dictator and if this isn’t impeachable, as many have said, then nothing is. That’s the theory of this case.”
I guess when the last pres. told us if you like your doctor you can keep him
wasn't an abuse of power, oh wait, that was just a fucking lie!!
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Old 12-17-2019, 11:51 AM   #3
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I just saw a USA today poll that had Trump leading all Democratic candidates by a minimum of 4 percentage points, head to head if the election took place tomorrow. The only Democrat of the bunch I would consider voting for is Biden, but he is looking long in the tooth. As far as a lot of polls being biased I would hope even lefties realize USA today leans to the left, and they have Trump leading.
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I just saw a USA today poll that had Trump leading all Democratic candidates by a minimum of 4 percentage points, head to head if the election took place tomorrow. The only Democrat of the bunch I would consider voting for is Biden, but he is looking long in the tooth. As far as a lot of polls being biased I would hope even lefties realize USA today leans to the left, and they have Trump leading.
A FOX poll over the weekend said over 50% of America wants trump impeached


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I just saw a USA today poll that had Trump leading all Democratic candidates by a minimum of 4 percentage points, head to head if the election took place tomorrow. The only Democrat of the bunch I would consider voting for is Biden, but he is looking long in the tooth. As far as a lot of polls being biased I would hope even lefties realize USA today leans to the left, and they have Trump leading.
I don't see anybody in the Democratic party beating him except maybe Warren or Booker but don't see Booker being the nominee. Got to disagree with you about USA Today though that is as middle of the road as it comes.
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I don't see anybody in the Democratic party beating him except maybe Warren or Booker but don't see Booker being the nominee. Got to disagree with you about USA Today though that is as middle of the road as it comes.
You are only considering USA Today middle of the road because most all media these days leans left. A good example is ESPN and Sports Illustrated, all the major awards they give out surely don't go to white heterosexual people. Go read the Washington Post, my girlfriend gets that paper, even reading the sports page you can't get past page two without them spewing some of their leftist views.
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You are only considering USA Today middle of the road because most all media these days leans left. A good example is ESPN and Sports Illustrated, all the major awards they give out surely don't go to white heterosexual people. Go read the Washington Post, my girlfriend gets that paper, even reading the sports page you can't get past page two without them spewing some of their leftist views.
LOL, yeah well it's called the truth.
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You are only considering USA Today middle of the road because most all media these days leans left. A good example is ESPN and Sports Illustrated, all the major awards they give out surely don't go to white heterosexual people. Go read the Washington Post, my girlfriend gets that paper, even reading the sports page you can't get past page two without them spewing some of their leftist views.
Stop... your own bias is showing. There are media sources on both sides and in between.

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Stop... your own bias is showing. There are media sources on both sides and in between.

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You can't be serious, most media leans left, it should be as plain as the nose on your face. The right leaning ones can be counted on one hand.
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Stop... your own bias is showing. There are media sources on both sides and in between.

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I prefer this chart although I don't find it to be 100% accurate.

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You are only considering USA Today middle of the road because most all media these days leans left. A good example is ESPN and Sports Illustrated, all the major awards they give out surely don't go to white heterosexual people. Go read the Washington Post, my girlfriend gets that paper, even reading the sports page you can't get past page two without them spewing some of their leftist views.
Yeah I am going to disagree with that too. Sinclair Broadcasting is notoriously right winged biased and they are over 40% of all markets in the United States so any perceived bias by the media in total is exactly that a perception and not reality. You want to argue corporations have an agenda and push it in their news programs I won't disagree.
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