How Low Can We Go? Redskins @ Giants Postgame Thread

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Originally Posted by GridIron26

Moreau, Moreland, Holcomb, Settle, and Ioannidis. And it's still too early to write Sweat off.



I want to put Collins in this list but I'm not sure if Collins's struggles are 100% on coaches..

Oh man Ill sort of give you Ioannidis although he has taken a step back this year. Collins ? No. Just no. Especially not at that money. Holcomb was atrocious yesterday. So was Moreau. Moreland was great in preseason. Settle meh. You are just listing young players. None of them have excellent potential. Not that they have shown on the field anyway.
Of course Im willing to say without the worst DC in the game they all might have it. But that is still an if.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Oh man Ill sort of give you Ioannidis although he has taken a step back this year. Collins ? No. Just no. Especially not at that money. Holcomb was atrocious yesterday. So was Moreau. Moreland was great in preseason. Settle meh. You are just listing young players. None of them have excellent potential. Not that they have shown on the field anyway.
Of course Im willing to say without the worst DC in the game they all might have it. But that is still an if.

Lol I gotta tell you that you are allowing your frustrations to cloud your evaluation, just like many people are and I don't blame you guys at all. After all, we are falling to the bottom of sea pretty fast. I just realized that you typed excellent talents, I read your comment too quickly and thought of talents alone in general. But then, not many teams have several players with excellent talents so I'm going to discuss about talents in general.

Yes, Holcomb and Moreau had a bad game yesterday. Thus, in your perspective, that game alone negates every other games they played? Moreland fell to 7th round for a reason, and in my opinion, he exceeded expectations for 7th round player, which is to contribute on a regular basis. Yes he gave up big plays, but he also made some plays. It is coaches' job to put players in position to make plays, maximizing players' strengths and mask their weaknesses. We have amazing D-line and Manusky couldn't even utilize it. Preston Smith didn't do much with us and yet he's becoming an important piece for Green Bay. Trent Murphy haven't made his name in NFL but he is a starter for Buffalo defense which has been pretty good unit for last two or three years. Murphy looked like a JAG except for last few games when he was here. Collins is starting to look like a bust considering the size of his contract. Collins has his limitations, we all know that, and yet he is exposed frequently. This is 100% on Manusky and Horton.

I have been Gruden's supporter ever since he came here, I appreciate what he did for Redskins - he helped bring Redskins out of the shit we were in before. It is now evident that Gruden's time with us has passed, he had multiple opportunities with us but he couldn't find a defense coordinator and it cost him his job. Despite the fact that we are falling down pretty fast, we do have some talents on this team. I honestly believe we do have some pieces that will entice some candidates. We just need to get rid of all players that are not giving what we need from them, then build on the young players we have.

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Originally Posted by GridIron26

Lol I gotta tell you that you are allowing your frustrations to cloud your evaluation, just like many people are and I don't blame you guys at all. After all, we are falling to the bottom of sea pretty fast. I just realized that you typed excellent talents, I read your comment too quickly and thought of talents alone in general. But then, not many teams have several players with excellent talents so I'm going to discuss about talents in general.



Yes, Holcomb and Moreau had a bad game yesterday. Thus, in your perspective, that game alone negates every other games they played? Moreland fell to 7th round for a reason, and in my opinion, he exceeded expectations for 7th round player, which is to contribute on a regular basis. Yes he gave up big plays, but he also made some plays. It is coaches' job to put players in position to make plays, maximizing players' strengths and mask their weaknesses. We have amazing D-line and Manusky couldn't even utilize it. Preston Smith didn't do much with us and yet he's becoming an important piece for Green Bay. Trent Murphy haven't made his name in NFL but he is a starter for Buffalo defense which has been pretty good unit for last two or three years. Murphy looked like a JAG except for last few games when he was here. Collins is starting to look like a bust considering the size of his contract. Collins has his limitations, we all know that, and yet he is exposed frequently. This is 100% on Manusky and Horton.



I have been Gruden's supporter ever since he came here, I appreciate what he did for Redskins - he helped bring Redskins out of the shit we were in before. It is now evident that Gruden's time with us has passed, he had multiple opportunities with us but he couldn't find a defense coordinator and it cost him his job. Despite the fact that we are falling down pretty fast, we do have some talents on this team. I honestly believe we do have some pieces that will entice some candidates. We just need to get rid of all players that are not giving what we need from them, then build on the young players we have.

Holcomb doesn’t really have many other games too go by. Lol. Not ready to give up but sticking to original post not ready to say excellent potential by any means. Moreau has always sucked imo. Moreland didn’t fall to 7th for ant other reason than he comes from a small school. Again certainly not ready to give up but excellent potential? Maybe.
Totally not emotional points. Excellent potential to me means they can be stars. I see it in our two young d linemen and dunbar. Don’t mean others won’t make the jump but I don’t see it now. Bring in a DC and that can all change.