Bruce Allen FINALLY speaks....at the Senior Bowl

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

people still defending RG3 as a good QB....the bottomline, the trade and pick which Bruce is the decision maker was one of the top all time bust. The trade itself was a top retard move...set the franchise back move. RG3 never did shit after the gimmick offense was uninstalled...give Shanny and son credit, the scheme was good for a year. RG3 is and always will be a terrible bust.

RG3 was a good pick at the time (trading up for him, not so much). We could have built off his successful rookie campaign were it not for the factors I mentioned. We will never know, but, had he been drafted by a non-dysfunctional franchise that did not enable his diva-personality, I think he could have had a decent career

Defend the McNabb Trade and Contract next?

No - I was speaking of the more recent moves. The McNabb trade was horrible at the time and turned out exactly like we all expected it to.

The handling of Cousins was god awful. Could have signed him to a cheap deal.... refused. Instead of trading him when value was max...let him walk with an end of the round 3rd round pick. Basically a 4th round pick folks.

Did you not read the very post you were responding to? I specifically limited my comments to acquiring the quarterbacks... not subsequent mismanagement of them.

Never drafting a competent young QB to learn under Cousins while you never intended to seriously sign.

Nate Sudfeld?

The 3rd god aweful trade, this time for an Alex Smith who was coming off career best year...while also having the top NFL rushing attack with K Hunt. NOT ONLY trading for him, but quickly signing him for a long term deal...INSTEAD of waiting to see how he performed in Jays system. Which the apologist now conveniently claim...this wasn't his fault, it just wasn't a fit. BULLSHIT.

who is saying it wasn't a fit? Smith was in his first year in a new system and playing mistake free football before he got hurt. He wasn't lighting it up, but, as you reference, he certainly wasn't surrounded by the talent (healthy) that he had in KC. For the money, had Smith stayed healthy and not suffered a freak injury, we got him to a great contract. His injury along with your (justifiable) hatred of Allen provides you an excellent reason to criticize the move in retrospect, but no one can predict this sort of injury. Its a risk that is taken with ALL contracts.

Had Smith played well, and he had not gotten hurt, you would be BASHING the skins right now for NOT having the foresight to sign him to an extension now as we'd be playing the tag game with him just like we had been with Cousins.

Bruce Allen has a history of fucking up the QB position period.

I agree - his management of the position has been terrible. In fact, pretty much EVERYTHING under his tenure has been terrible. But the team has acquired a number of good QBs during his tenure. To deny that is simply to ignore evidence that doesn't fit your preferred narrative.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

RG3 was a good pick at the time (trading up for him, not so much). We could have built off his successful rookie campaign were it not for the factors I mentioned. We will never know, but, had he been drafted by a non-dysfunctional franchise that did not enable his diva-personality, I think he could have had a decent career


No - I was speaking of the more recent moves. The McNabb trade was horrible at the time and turned out exactly like we all expected it to.

Did you not read the very post you were responding to? I specifically limited my comments to acquiring the quarterbacks... not subsequent mismanagement of them.

Nate Sudfeld?


who is saying it wasn't a fit? Smith was in his first year in a new system and playing mistake free football before he got hurt. He wasn't lighting it up, but, as you reference, he certainly wasn't surrounded by the talent (healthy) that he had in KC. For the money, had Smith stayed healthy and not suffered a freak injury, we got him to a great contract. His injury along with your (justifiable) hatred of Allen provides you an excellent reason to criticize the move in retrospect, but no one can predict this sort of injury. Its a risk that is taken with ALL contracts.

Had Smith played well, and he had not gotten hurt, you would be BASHING the skins right now for NOT having the foresight to sign him to an extension now as we'd be playing the tag game with him just like we had been with Cousins.


I agree - his management of the position has been terrible. In fact, pretty much EVERYTHING under his tenure has been terrible. But the team has acquired a number of good QBs during his tenure. To deny that is simply to ignore evidence that doesn't fit your preferred narrative.

Good god, the RG3 apologist are amazing...RG3 would not have been a bust but we will never know? RG3 recovered from his injury and was garbage, we know that because we got rid of him. He was a bust...he was never good...it was a terrible trade and pick period. Continue to believe in hypothetical..."what ifs" don't fucking matter in real life.

Yes McNabb was horrible at the time, which is part of the track record of Bruce. YES it matters.

So as a GM, managing the rosters of QB is off the table of Bruce Allen responsibilities? Really? Your going with this excuse? Horseshit

Nate Sudfeld, Pick 187 in Round 6th...your answer for drafting a QB to groom. First, a terrible pick. Second, Bruce probably gives more thought to scratching his balls than evaluating a sixth round QB pick. Its not a serious prospect to groom to replacement Cousins NOR Colt.

Many Alex Apologist say 'well Alex really didn't fit Jay scheme' to explain the very average, unimpressive performance in his first year. And no I wouldn't be bashing...Ive been bashing the trade and extension from day 1 because I fucking seen this story before with Bruce called "McNabb".

The decision makers at the QB positions have been garbage. That's why until Bruce is gone...I have zero faith in this FO to get it right at the most important position on the field.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Good god, the RG3 apologist are amazing...RG3 would not have been a bust but we will never know? RG3 recovered from his injury and was garbage, we know that because we got rid of him. He was a bust...he was never good...it was a terrible trade and pick period. Continue to believe in hypothetical..."what ifs" don't fucking matter in real life.

Yes McNabb was horrible at the time, which is part of the track record of Bruce. YES it matters.

So as a GM, managing the rosters of QB is off the table of Bruce Allen responsibilities? Really? Your going with this excuse? Horseshit

Nate Sudfeld, Pick 187 in Round 6th...your answer for drafting a QB to groom. First, a terrible pick. Second, Bruce probably gives more thought to scratching his balls than evaluating a sixth round QB pick. Its not a serious prospect to groom to replacement Cousins NOR Colt.

Many Alex Apologist say 'well Alex really didn't fit Jay scheme' to explain the very average, unimpressive performance in his first year. And no I wouldn't be bashing...Ive been bashing the trade and extension from day 1 because I fucking seen this story before with Bruce called "McNabb".

The decision makers at the QB positions have been garbage. That's why until Bruce is gone...I have zero faith in this FO to get it right at the most important position on the field.

You simply aren't reading my comments, which were limited to evaluating the talent of the QBs we brought to the team. IMO we have a track record of bringing in good talent at the QB position since Allen has been here (although most of the credit for this goes to guys like Klye Smith, Eric Santos, Dough Williams, etc.). They've brought in very good guys before, so I have no doubt they would draft a good QB this year. I'm not worried about THAT.

I'm worried about what happens AFTER that. The dysfunction that surrounds Bruce and Jay will more likely than not ruin things with the new QB like they ruined RG3 and Cousins. And if we clean house after 2019, the new coach will be stuck with a guy he didn't draft.