game & refs

Big C · 11-13-2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hail2em

hell yeah i can say it with a straight face...he didnt cross the line his ELBOW WAS DOWN b4 the goal and i'll say it again the elbow down how can the ball be across!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats exactly right.

sniks · 11-13-2005, 08:23 PM

reality is we are not that good.Every week we point the finger at the refs.The way they were called they were right by the rules.No evidence to overturn the calls.

skinsguy · 11-13-2005, 08:25 PM

The problem is, since the officials on the field ruled that he was in, then he could have been stopped on the five, driven back to the other goal line, and the refs still would have called him in. Sounds to me since the boothe couldn't see the placement of the ball on the replay, and probably wasn't even looking at his elbow.

Stacks42 · 11-13-2005, 08:28 PM

Arrington should have stopped Alstot at the one yard line, he was in perfect position. But for some reason He left his feet, jumped over the pile ending up in the backfield. What was he thinking? Walt Harris and Prealou cost us this game, they were out of position for most of the afternoon. Did anyone notice the complete lack of a pass rush? Even when we blitzed our linebackers we couldnt get pressure. Simms had time to sit back and find his wide open recievers with our lack of a pass rush and the horrible play of the secondary.

mooby · 11-13-2005, 08:35 PM

a lot of things cost us this game. First off, one thing i noticed, when we blitzed, it seemed like they were completing big passes all day. We cannot keep blitzing and leaving our corners on an island, because i saw not only Walt Harris but Carlos Rogers giving up the deep ball. Our defense gave up too many big plays. I don't care about the refs, the game shouldn't have been close enough for the refs to make a huge difference anyways. We have a lot of glaring weaknesses as it is.

1. We can't defend the big plays
2. We can't get a good pass rush
3. We give up a lot of turnovers on offense

I really feel like considering how many turnovers we had, the game shouldn't have been that close. People have figured our defense out. Chris Simms had a field day with our secondary, and i get the feeling even with Sean Taylor in there we still would've given up big plays. We just don't have a good enough #2 corner to run with opposing teams #2 receivers. Maybe Walt Harris doesn't have enough speed, I don't know. One thing our offense showed me was that even though we turned the ball over, we still came back and put points on the board. That's why i'm upset with our defense. As for the third component, i think special teams is the one area that we don't have a problem at right now. That was a beautiful kick return for a td by Ladell.

offiss · 11-13-2005, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

To me, this one comes down to the call to run it on 3rd and two instead of going for the first down with a short throw which would have ended the game if we completed and yielded no different result any other way except giving us more time to drive the field.

Beat me to it Daseal, once again Gibbs hands the ball back over to the opposing offense with plenty of time to drive the field to either tie, or win the game, how many games do we have to play with our defense having their backs against our own end zone in the final minute trying to hold on to a victory? We had a pattened Gibbs 3 and out, Gibbs religously goes to that run when we all know the oppossing defense is keying on it, and we all know we can't run it when we have to, I was yelling not to run it there, and I would have rather had Betts in that situation then Portis if we had to run.
A play action role out leaving Brunell with the option to throw or run would have been a much better call, although we should have been running that play on second down as well. I don't care how many yards Clinton had in the first half or for the year, WE CAN'T RUN IN SHORT YARDAGE PERIOD!

As for the refs, well what does anyone expect? We all know the league hates Snyder there is know doubt in my mind they have given a wink, wink, nod, nod, to make sure anything close goes against us, that call for pushing Galloway out of bounds was IMO not a bad call, but a delibrate call, further more when was the last time we saw such a quick review? Especially on a play that is decieding the game on that 2 point conversion, and guess what they didn't want to see that last replay from the back of the endzone which clearly showed his elbow down before the goal line, and guess what we will get another apology from the league, and another excuse on how and why they blew it, while they try to contain their laughter.

I will no longer refer to our left offensive tackle as Samuels again, from hence forth I will only refer to him as the STATUE, the guy is useless out there, when guy's aren't blowing by him, he's either doubling down on someone while defenders run untouched, or standing around looking for someone while defenders are all over Brunell.

skinsguy · 11-13-2005, 08:42 PM

Not sure why people are whinning about that third and two play. We go back to throw it and throw an incompletion, clock stops, and the other team has even more time to comfortably drive down the field. The way we ran all over their defense today, it was the best call to make in that situation.

SmootSmack · 11-13-2005, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Not sure why people are whinning about that third and two play. We go back to throw it and throw an incompletion, clock stops, and the other team has even more time to comfortably drive down the field. The way we ran all over their defense today, it was the best call to make in that situation.

Couldn't agree more

redrock-skins · 11-13-2005, 08:46 PM

Alstott appeared to be down, but really that was not "indisputable" evidence.

I was watching this game at a Seattle bar side by side with the Seahawks/Rams game. Seattle was up by 8, Rams had no timeouts and 3rd and short. Seattle calls PA and converts and puts away the game (Alexander runs it later for a bonus TD). A few minutes later we have a similiar situation, but played it conservative. With the 2 minute warning coming, that should have been a pass play. There's your game right there. Our defense proved most of the day we could not stop them and we got what we deserved.

scowan · 11-13-2005, 08:49 PM

Guys we just got schooled on why you play aggressive and not passive in this league. I am glad I have gotten on this board tonight and the discussion is about the 3 and 2 call late in the game to seal the deal when Portis runs up the middle. I know its coming , you know its coming , the Bucs know its coming. Why don't we roll Brunell out on a playaction and pass to Cooley? Gibbs played passive and Gruden played aggressive (going for 2) and the Skins lost. The whole game was decided on those two decisions. Guys maded plays on both sides of the ball, but Gibbs needs to call his buddy Vermeil and lean a lesson on agressive playcalling.

offiss · 11-13-2005, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I'm with you 100% on this one. Early in the game someone in the chat room was bitching why did we pass on 3rd and 2 when Portis was running right through the Tampa D. And then when we run on 3rd and 2 the question is why didn't we pass?

What if they went for the pass and it was intercepted or Brunell got sacked and fumbled? That deep in your own territory, that late in the game, you have to play it safe. No matter how boring it is.

To bad gruden didn't play it safe, oh yea he won though.

Nonesense! Playing it safe is what cost us the game, playing it safe is only another word for playing scared, giving the ball back to tampa was the most unsafe call we could have made, what if we open up the offense like we did the entire game and make a first down? Maybe we win? Winners are not afraid to play to win, losers play not to lose.

With that kind of thinking we might as well take a knee in overtime.

I hope this finally wakes Gibbs up to the realazation that Portis is not a power back, and our line can't power run.

SUNRA · 11-13-2005, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hail2em

I'm really upset at this game, for 1 our secondary sucks, for a team that couldn't beat the 49er's they sure put it on us. couldn't get to the QB for shit. our blitzing sucks, and not to mention turnovers once again killed us and you can't leave the sorry ass refs out of this because in the first quater clearly shows he was not forced out and on the 2 pt conversion alstott elbow was down b4 the ball crossed the goal line. please some one respond to this because i want to read what you guys reply.

There were clearly several calls that the Refs bullshited us on.

1.The bullshit call that ruled that Prioleau forced Galloway out of bounds when it was clear that bastard didn't have two feet in.

2. The 3rd down conversion to David Patten. The fucken guy hit him before he had the chance to catch the ball. No call

3.Alstott's back was on the ground before he reached over and put the ball over the goal. It was clearly a stop. The refs didn't call it immediately because the last thing they saw was him on his back with the ball tucked under his arm in front of the goal. That shit is real.

At this point , if the refs didn't win the game for Bucs then Walt Harris certainly helped.

Longtimefan · 11-13-2005, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

To me, this one comes down to the call to run it on 3rd and two instead of going for the first down with a short throw which would have ended the game if we completed and yielded no different result any other way except giving us more time to drive the field.

I agree with you Daseal 100%. I think that decision to run the ball as opposed to passing it was what cost us the game. Third and three was too far to run in that situation. TB was out of timeouts' had we picked up that first down there, we could have run out the clock. I hate to second guess the coach.

Hail2em · 11-13-2005, 08:59 PM

i agree as well seeing how they scored to tie it anyway we had 2 CHANCES to get 2 yards....right?

Twilbert07 · 11-13-2005, 08:59 PM

The game never should have come down to the 2-point conversion. The defense let a scrub like Simms tie us twice and then beat us.

Also, we have to be concerned about Brunell's propensity to put te ball on thye ground. His fumble last week would have killed us if not for Portis' tackle. One of his two fumbles this week gave them 7 points. I hope he makes a concerted effort to stop fumbling.

11-13-2005, 08:23 PM	#17
sniks Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: CT. Age: 65 Posts: 97	Re: game & refs reality is we are not that good.Every week we point the finger at the refs.The way they were called they were right by the rules.No evidence to overturn the calls.

11-13-2005, 08:25 PM	#18
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: game & refs The problem is, since the officials on the field ruled that he was in, then he could have been stopped on the five, driven back to the other goal line, and the refs still would have called him in. Sounds to me since the boothe couldn't see the placement of the ball on the replay, and probably wasn't even looking at his elbow. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

11-13-2005, 08:28 PM	#19
Stacks42 Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Arlington Va. Age: 48 Posts: 836	Re: game & refs Arrington should have stopped Alstot at the one yard line, he was in perfect position. But for some reason He left his feet, jumped over the pile ending up in the backfield. What was he thinking? Walt Harris and Prealou cost us this game, they were out of position for most of the afternoon. Did anyone notice the complete lack of a pass rush? Even when we blitzed our linebackers we couldnt get pressure. Simms had time to sit back and find his wide open recievers with our lack of a pass rush and the horrible play of the secondary. __________________ The NEXT special teams coordinator

11-13-2005, 08:35 PM	#20
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,577	Re: game & refs a lot of things cost us this game. First off, one thing i noticed, when we blitzed, it seemed like they were completing big passes all day. We cannot keep blitzing and leaving our corners on an island, because i saw not only Walt Harris but Carlos Rogers giving up the deep ball. Our defense gave up too many big plays. I don't care about the refs, the game shouldn't have been close enough for the refs to make a huge difference anyways. We have a lot of glaring weaknesses as it is. 1. We can't defend the big plays 2. We can't get a good pass rush 3. We give up a lot of turnovers on offense I really feel like considering how many turnovers we had, the game shouldn't have been that close. People have figured our defense out. Chris Simms had a field day with our secondary, and i get the feeling even with Sean Taylor in there we still would've given up big plays. We just don't have a good enough #2 corner to run with opposing teams #2 receivers. Maybe Walt Harris doesn't have enough speed, I don't know. One thing our offense showed me was that even though we turned the ball over, we still came back and put points on the board. That's why i'm upset with our defense. As for the third component, i think special teams is the one area that we don't have a problem at right now. That was a beautiful kick return for a td by Ladell.

11-13-2005, 08:42 PM	#22
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: game & refs Not sure why people are whinning about that third and two play. We go back to throw it and throw an incompletion, clock stops, and the other team has even more time to comfortably drive down the field. The way we ran all over their defense today, it was the best call to make in that situation. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

11-13-2005, 08:46 PM	#24
redrock-skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 783	Re: game & refs Alstott appeared to be down, but really that was not "indisputable" evidence. I was watching this game at a Seattle bar side by side with the Seahawks/Rams game. Seattle was up by 8, Rams had no timeouts and 3rd and short. Seattle calls PA and converts and puts away the game (Alexander runs it later for a bonus TD). A few minutes later we have a similiar situation, but played it conservative. With the 2 minute warning coming, that should have been a pass play. There's your game right there. Our defense proved most of the day we could not stop them and we got what we deserved.

11-13-2005, 08:49 PM	#25
scowan The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: KY Age: 56 Posts: 1,559	Re: game & refs Guys we just got schooled on why you play aggressive and not passive in this league. I am glad I have gotten on this board tonight and the discussion is about the 3 and 2 call late in the game to seal the deal when Portis runs up the middle. I know its coming , you know its coming , the Bucs know its coming. Why don't we roll Brunell out on a playaction and pass to Cooley? Gibbs played passive and Gruden played aggressive (going for 2) and the Skins lost. The whole game was decided on those two decisions. Guys maded plays on both sides of the ball, but Gibbs needs to call his buddy Vermeil and lean a lesson on agressive playcalling.

11-13-2005, 08:59 PM	#29
Hail2em Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Va. Beach, Virginia Posts: 229	Re: game & refs i agree as well seeing how they scored to tie it anyway we had 2 CHANCES to get 2 yards....right?

11-13-2005, 08:59 PM	#30
Twilbert07 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 60 Posts: 594	Re: game & refs The game never should have come down to the 2-point conversion. The defense let a scrub like Simms tie us twice and then beat us. Also, we have to be concerned about Brunell's propensity to put te ball on thye ground. His fumble last week would have killed us if not for Portis' tackle. One of his two fumbles this week gave them 7 points. I hope he makes a concerted effort to stop fumbling.

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