With the 17 pick, the Washington Redskins select...

[Irrefutable]

The slow rebuilding plan is working great, 3 playoff wins in the last 24 years. The future is now. It is unlikely KC will be here next year, as well as other key members of the team. This wait until next year strategy is not working.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...dskins_seasons

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

The slow rebuilding plan is working great, 3 playoff wins in the last 24 years. The future is now. It is unlikely KC will be here next year, as well as other key members of the team. This wait until next year strategy is not working.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...dskins_seasons

dude calm down

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

The slow rebuilding plan is working great, 3 playoff wins in the last 24 years. The future is now. It is unlikely KC will be here next year, as well as other key members of the team. This wait until next year strategy is not working.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...dskins_seasons

Ok so what would be your plan? That future is now shit has not worked around here. We've been there and done that. There are no quick fixes in the NFL.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Ok so what would be your plan? That future is now shit has not worked around here. We've been there and done that. There are no quick fixes in the NFL.

if we can just get bruce smith and deion sanders under contract, we should be good. #backtothefutureisnow

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by los panda

if we can just get bruce smith and deion sanders under contract, we should be good. #backtothefutureisnow

Mark Carrier too

[skinsfan69]

This kid Reddick out of Temple seems to be getting a lot of talk lately. He's only 230lbs so I'm not sure if he can rush the passer at OLB. I was reading that they put him at ILB at the Senior Bowl. That seems like an interesting spot. He could be what we need, someone that's fast, explosive and can make plays.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This kid Reddick out of Temple seems to be getting a lot of talk lately. He's only 230lbs so I'm not sure if he can rush the passer at OLB. I was reading that they put him at ILB at the Senior Bowl. That seems like an interesting spot. He could be what we need, someone that's fast, explosive and can make plays.

Keim mentioned him some today on Twitter. I think a bleacher report douche said a scout from the skins told him Reddick is the pick if he is there today. But your right. Reddick would be ILB.

Keim said also Skins do like Foster a lot and Jonathan Allen. Will either be there?

It's looking like a olb pass-rusher, ILB or RB at 17.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Keim mentioned him some today on Twitter. I think a bleacher report douche said a scout from the skins told him Reddick is the pick if he is there today. But your right. Reddick would be ILB.

Keim said also Skins do like Foster a lot and Jonathan Allen. Will either be there?

It's looking like a olb pass-rusher, ILB or RB at 17.

So a Redskins scout supposedly gave away who we'd pick at #17? If true, the dumb SOB should be fired.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Ok so what would be your plan? That future is now shit has not worked around here. We've been there and done that. There are no quick fixes in the NFL.

trade down unless a great player at a position of need is available. Do not trade for picks in next year's draft . Draft players at positions of need.... there are plenty of needs, so what if they are rated slightly lower.

Rumor is the Texans wants to move up about 8 spots to get a QB. The Redskins would get pick #25 and the Texans #2 pick.... for pick #17

If the Redskins can come up with 12 picks, then maybe they will find more than 2 who contribute in 2017

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

trade down unless a great player at a position of need is available. Do not trade for picks in next year's draft . Draft players at positions of need.... there are plenty of needs, so what if they are rated slightly lower.

Rumor is the Texans wants to move up about 8 spots to get a QB. The Redskins would get pick #25 and the Texans #2 pick.... for pick #17

If the Redskins can come up with 12 picks, then maybe they will find more than 2 who contribute in 2017

Again though, it's flat out stupid to judge a draft after one year. Doc, Cravens, Fuller could all have a huge impact on this years team. I think SM traded for extra picks in this years draft cause it's obviously deeper on the defensive side of the ball.

Also if you get three players out of a draft that become good players then that's a good draft.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Again though, it's flat out stupid to judge a draft after one year. Doc, Cravens, Fuller could all have a huge impact on this years team. I think SM traded for extra picks in this years draft cause it's obviously deeper on the defensive side of the ball.

Also if you get three players out of a draft that become good players then that's a good draft.

You could win the power ball too.

No, you will never be a playoff team if all you can get is 3 good players per draft.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

You could win the power ball too.

No, you will never be a playoff team if all you can get is 3 good players per draft.

patriots never did, just look at their drafts between 2012-2014, adding about 3 good players per draft while winning their division each season.

2012: 7 total picks; 1 starter, 1 backup, 2* players now w other teams, 3 players out of the league /// *chandler jones traded to cardinals

2013: 7 total picks; 2 starters, 0 backups, 1* player now w another team, 4 players out of the league /// *jamie collins traded to browns

2014: 9 total picks; 0 starters, 3 backups, 2 players now w other teams, 4 players out of the league

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

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You could win the power ball too.

No, you will never be a playoff team if all you can get is 3 good players per draft.

I would disagree with that. You can draft 3 really good players and then you could have another 2 or 3 that are role players. Name me one team that hits on 7 draft picks? No one does. There are also undrafted players that can contribute like Rob Kelly. And then there are years where you miss on the draft. Even the teams that rely heavily on the draft, like Pittsburgh or Green Bay, they'll have bad drafts. It happens to everyone.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would disagree with that. You can draft 3 really good players and then you could have another 2 or 3 that are role players. Name me one team that hits on 7 draft picks? No one does. There are also undrafted players that can contribute like Rob Kelly. And then there are years where you miss on the draft. Even the teams that rely heavily on the draft, like Pittsburgh or Green Bay, they'll have bad drafts. It happens to everyone.

which brings me to the patriots' last 2 drafts, 2015-2016.

2015: 11 total picks; 3 starters, 4 backups, 2* players now w other teams, 2 players out of the league /// *a.j.derby traded to broncos and matthew wells to bears

2016: 9 total picks; 1 starter, 6 backups, 1 player now w another team, 1 player out of the league

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

The slow rebuilding plan is working great, 3 playoff wins in the last 24 years. The future is now. It is unlikely KC will be here next year, as well as other key members of the team. This wait until next year strategy is not working.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...dskins_seasons

Have you been watching the past 24 seasons? How many times did we try the win now strategy?

Free Agent splurges.
College Coach with a surefire offense that overhauls the team.
Trade away the future for a surefire QB prospect.

Just to name a few examples of failed win now attempts.

The slow rebuild is only 3 years in. There has been a significant improvement on offense, and we started by building a strong o line and developing a QB. Defense has been neglected in recent off seasons, but that largely has to do with what opportunities were available. We have been signing free agents to smart contracts and resigning productive guys and letting people walk that aren't worth their market value. This is how to build a long term winner. See the Patriots. Name me one team that has had sustained success with this supposed win now strategy?

And what specifically are you suggesting be done differently? Is this an argument against BPA? Let's think, did the skins ever reach and over saturate a position of need in the draft? Do the names Malcom Kelly and Devin Thomas ring a bell? I guess it is pretty easy to forget them TBH.