Who is Kirk Cousins?

[punch it in]

I think its funny that if u dont have a cannon for an arm you are cast into the "game manager" position. That is the dumbest name ever. Kirk is a smart qb who has the ability to throw 30-40 times and gain 300 yards if need be. His bad interception, rush to judgement throws have certainly subsided and that was really his only knock. He is able to avoid pressure, read defenses, and make the throw. He has improved every week of the season in his first real season at the helm. I cannot imagine how many times Griff would have had to pick himself up and brush off the dirt over these first 8 games. As soon as this guy gets the run game, a solid group of wr's, and a defense on his team he is going to be a damn good QB. We still have a shot at the division and it is so nice we are playing meaningful games in November, but I cannot wait until we get a few more pieces on this team and really challenge the league next year. Namely, a MLB, DB, S, WR, C / right side help, and an edge rusher.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I think its funny that if u dont have a cannon for an arm you are cast into the "game manager" position. That is the dumbest name ever. Kirk is a smart qb who has the ability to throw 30-40 times and gain 300 yards if need be. His bad interception, rush to judgement throws have certainly subsided and that was really his only knock. He is able to avoid pressure, read defenses, and make the throw. He has improved every week of the season in his first real season at the helm. I cannot imagine how many times Griff would have had to pick himself up and brush off the dirt over these first 8 games. As soon as this guy gets the run game, a solid group of wr's, and a defense on his team he is going to be a damn good QB. We still have a shot at the division and it is so nice we are playing meaningful games in November, but I cannot wait until we get a few more pieces on this team and really challenge the league next year. Namely, a MLB, DB, S, WR, C / right side help, and an edge rusher.

But why is it on a "if need be" basis? Right now this should be our offense.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

But why is it on a "if need be" basis? Right now this should be our offense.

Every game in a qb's career is not going to resemble that stat line is all i meant. Wasnt necessarily commenting on the here and now. He has the ability to do that.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I think its funny that if u dont have a cannon for an arm you are cast into the "game manager" position. That is the dumbest name ever. Kirk is a smart qb who has the ability to throw 30-40 times and gain 300 yards if need be. His bad interception, rush to judgement throws have certainly subsided and that was really his only knock. He is able to avoid pressure, read defenses, and make the throw. He has improved every week of the season in his first real season at the helm. I cannot imagine how many times Griff would have had to pick himself up and brush off the dirt over these first 8 games. As soon as this guy gets the run game, a solid group of wr's, and a defense on his team he is going to be a damn good QB. We still have a shot at the division and it is so nice we are playing meaningful games in November, but I cannot wait until we get a few more pieces on this team and really challenge the league next year. Namely, a MLB, DB, S, WR, C / right side help, and an edge rusher.

I don't understand the "not having a strong arm" he just overthrew DJ again Sunday on a deep ball down the sideline. His arm is plenty strong.

[NoCalHail]

Originally Posted by Brody81

I don't understand the "not having a strong arm" he just overthrew DJ again Sunday on a deep ball down the sideline. His arm is plenty strong.

I think too often "strong arm" is only looked at by how far a QB can heave a ball downfield, when it is really so much more. Making throws with zip on the ball, hitting WR's in stride. Those crossing patterns in the medium range where the WR is running towards sideline and the QB has to zip it into tight window.

All of that stuff is part of what makes up a strong arm. You watch Brady play in that Pats offense, and they throw as many short passes as any other offense, but Brady delivers the ball with zip where it needs to be in order for YAC to occur on almost every single catch, where as Cousins often times is throwing behind the WR, low to the ground, or in a spot where the ball catcher has to stop to catch it, therefore gets tackled right away. Is it due to lack of arm strength or still working on timing in the scheme? Could be some of both.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Brody81

I don't understand the "not having a strong arm" he just overthrew DJ again Sunday on a deep ball down the sideline. His arm is plenty strong.

I dont think his arm is john beck like im just catering to the masses. My point was people like to tag him as the next game managing alex smith.

[30gut]

His bad interception, rush to judgement throws have certainly subsided and that was really his only knock.-
^^Punch It

You make some good points. But I have to disagree with the portion above. I don't think his knack for interceptions has subsided nor was it his only knock and his other knocks were/are accuracy and ability to handle adversity.
But I would give the kid credit for handling adversity and being more resilient this year.
Still has a ways to go with consistent accuracy and interceptions.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

His bad interception, rush to judgement throws have certainly subsided and that was really his only knock.-

^^Punch It



You make some good points. But I have to disagree with the portion above. I don't think his knack for interceptions has subsided and his other knocks were/are accuracy and ability to handle adversity.

But I would give the kid credit for handling adversity and being more resilient this year.

Still has a ways to go with consistent accuracy and interceptions.

Well accuracy and the int's obviously go hand in hand. He certainly has looked better the last couple starts in that department. Could signal a maturation or maybe he just got lucky? Time will tell. I will say with certainty that unlike 8 weeks ago a QB is not exactly an area of need anymore. Thank God.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Well accuracy and the int's obviously go hand in hand. He certainly has looked better the last couple starts in that department. Could signal a maturation or maybe he just got lucky? Time will tell. I will say with certainty that unlike 8 weeks ago a QB is not exactly an area of need anymore. Thank God.

Sometimes maybe accuracy or lack thereof can be the cause of interceptions. For me interceptions are more about decision making. Missed throws/incompletion are the result of inaccuracy.

Time will tell, Kirk has to show a lot more for me to say QB isn't an area of need. Has Kirk shown himself to be quality NFL starter...? My answer would be like Dexter's "Not consistently." And thats the name of the game.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Sometimes maybe accuracy or lack thereof can be the cause of interceptions. For me interceptions are more about decision making. Missed throws/incompletion are the result of inaccuracy.



Time will tell, Kirk has to show a lot more for me to say QB isn't an area of need. Has Kirk shown himself to be quality NFL starter...? My answer would be like Dexter's "Not consistently." And thats the name of the game.

Fair enough. This week should be another good test. We have a code red game against a defensive backfield that i just watch two weeks ago get absolutely torched by the Gints.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I dont think his arm is john beck like im just catering to the masses. My point was people like to tag him as the next game managing alex smith.

I just used your quote to make my comment. I know you don't think he has a weak arm.. This whole argument is getting retarded. Some guys will never get onboard with Kirk because he wasn't a high draft pick. They can't get excited about a 4th round pick. The good thing is Scott will be making this decision, and I trust it will be the right one. I would love to know what he thinks of Kirk. I would guess he is very pleased with his progression so far.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Brody81

I just used your quote to make my comment. I know you don't think he has a weak arm.. This whole argument is getting retarded. Some guys will never get onboard with Kirk because he wasn't a high draft pick. They can't get excited about a 4th round pick. The good thing is Scott will be making this decision, and I trust it will be the right one. I would love to know what he thinks of Kirk. I would guess he is very pleased with his progression so far.

Great point. I think lost in this endless diarrhea of impatient frustrated Redskins fans that expect greatness immediately.....is......we finally have stability in the FO (Scott). We finally have a GM that is a great talent evaluater and understands something foreign to Dan Snyder, it takes time to build a good talented roster.
Scott has not been here an entire season yet, but yet we have impatience.
Got it!

[NoCalHail]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Great point. I think lost in this endless diarrhea of impatient frustrated Redskins fans that expect greatness immediately.....is......we finally have stability in the FO (Scott). We finally have a GM that is a great talent evaluater and understands something foreign to Dan Snyder, it takes time to build a good talented roster.
Scott has not been here an entire season yet, but yet we have impatience.
Got it!

Exactly. Having a GM that can be trusted is the key. Let's not forget either that Gruden and all the QB's on the roster were here before the GM was hired so there is no guarantee the GM wants any of them here beyond this season. He also knows that getting rid of any of them in 2015 would have been useless as there wasn't going to be some miraculous turn around after his first offseason as GM. Right now he is doing what a good GM does which is get the groceries, but is allowing the coach to cook the meal.

Gruden's job is likely going to be tied to the success/failure of Kirk Cousins and how successful management feels they will be going forward. A lot of GM's when they come in, their first order of business is to their "their" coach and QB. Our organization already had both in place, but I wouldn't for a second suggest that automatically means Scott is content with either or them right now.

Time will tell.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Brody81

I just used your quote to make my comment. I know you don't think he has a weak arm.. This whole argument is getting retarded. Some guys will never get onboard with Kirk because he wasn't a high draft pick. They can't get excited about a 4th round pick. The good thing is Scott will be making this decision, and I trust it will be the right one. I would love to know what he thinks of Kirk. I would guess he is very pleased with his progression so far.

It has nothing to do with him being a 4th round pick. No one cares about where he was drafted just like no one talks down Tom Brady because he was a 6th round pick. I guarantee you that no one would complain about having multiple SBs being led by a 6th rounder. It has to do with his games. Some great, some good, some terrible. Its that simple. You see his terrible games and call them great QB performances and that it was the rest of the team that let him down because it fits your narrative. KC is what he is... Average. Can he get better? Sure. Does that mean he will get better? No one knows.

You are just looking for excuses that KC is the greatest ever to fit your narrative. Stop claiming what we think, especially when every time that you do, its an idiotic statement. We hate KC because he is a 4th rounder? Really... You actually said that?

[Brody81]

[QUOTE=Skinzman;1128125]It has nothing to do with him being a 4th round pick. No one cares about where he was drafted just like no one talks down Tom Brady because he was a 6th round pick. I guarantee you that no one would complain about having multiple SBs being led by a 6th rounder. It has to do with his games. Some great, some good, some terrible. Its that simple. You see his terrible games and call them great QB performances and that it was the rest of the team that let him down because it fits your narrative. KC is what he is... Average. Can he get better? Sure. Does that mean he will get better? No one knows.





You are just looking for excuses that KC is the greatest ever to fit your narrative. Stop claiming what we think, especially when every time that you do, its an idiotic statement. We hate KC because he is a 4th rounder? Really... You actually said that?[/QUOTE



Yes I did say it and it the truth with some fans. If Kirk was a 1st round draft pick with the amount of starts he has this forum would not be even discussing the need to draft another QB. It would be he is learning the position and I expect him to be inconsistent. The fact our GM was high on Kirk coming out of college should should tell you he has talent and could turn into something special if given the chance. If you have a better option ie., free agency, draft, please enlighten us..