Around the NFL Week 12

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Brady did play better than Manning this last game. But you are correct, Welker specifically did not play well. Turnovers were the reason the Broncos went up 24-0. Turnovers were the reason the Patriots scored 31 halftime points. That was the true story of the game.

I'll give you that. Brady did perform better, but much of that is dependent on his receivers. It was if the Broncos thought the game was over at half and decided to coast the rest of the game. That's the kind of epic collapse I'm used to seeing from the Skins, not the Broncos. McDaniels out-coached the hell out of Del Rio after the half.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'll give you that. Brady did perform better, but much of that is dependent on his receivers. It was if the Broncos thought the game was over at half and decided to coast the rest of the game. That's the kind of epic collapse I'm used to seeing from the Skins, not the Broncos. McDaniels out-coached the hell out of Del Rio after the half.

Much of what Manning has done his entire career has been because he has played with some of the best receiving corps in the NFL, especially this year. We cannot give Manning credit when his receivers are balling and then exclude him when he doesn't perform at his usual level even though his receivers didn't play well either. There were a couple of throws that were not Manning type throws. I think he got too caught up with Passing last night and they would have won the game if they kept the ball on the ground in key situations. In the end, like you said, Tom Brady simply was better than Manning last night.

The Patriots made a great comeback. The only reason the Broncos were up 24-0 was because of an epic collapse of the Patriots the first quarter, the only reason the Patriots came back was because of an epic collapse of the Broncos in the 3rd quarter.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Much of what Manning has done his entire career has been because he has played with some of the best receiving corps in the NFL, especially this year. We cannot give Manning credit when his receivers are balling and then exclude him when he doesn't perform at his usual level even though his receivers didn't play well either. There were a couple of throws that were not Manning type throws. I think he got too caught up with Passing last night and they would have won the game if they kept the ball on the ground in key situations. In the end, like you said, Tom Brady simply was better than Manning last night.

The Patriots made a great comeback. The only reason the Broncos were up 24-0 was because of an epic collapse of the Patriots the first quarter, the only reason the Patriots came back was because of an epic collapse of the Broncos in the 3rd quarter.

Manning's passes have lacked crispness all season though. I know he goes under the microscope in the cold weather, but I'm watching the condensed version of the game, and he's locating the ball better than Brady is. I just don't think he can do anything about the passes outside the numbers at this point. His arm is in decline.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Manning's passes have lacked crispness all season though. I know he goes under the microscope in the cold weather, but I'm watching the condensed version of the game, and he's locating the ball better than Brady is. I just don't think he can do anything about the passes outside the numbers at this point. His arm is in decline.

I agree with this. Even though last night some of his ball placements were off. In general he has been the most accurate short yardage QB in the NFL. You saw the Patriots play a lot of press and try to take away the short passes and for the most part they were successful. When the Redskins were doing that they had success against Manning as well. The Pats just couldn't stop the run.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Much of what Manning has done his entire career has been because he has played with some of the best receiving corps in the NFL, especially this year. We cannot give Manning credit when his receivers are balling and then exclude him when he doesn't perform at his usual level even though his receivers didn't play well either. There were a couple of throws that were not Manning type throws. I think he got too caught up with Passing last night and they would have won the game if they kept the ball on the ground in key situations. In the end, like you said, Tom Brady simply was better than Manning last night.

The Patriots made a great comeback. The only reason the Broncos were up 24-0 was because of an epic collapse of the Patriots the first quarter, the only reason the Patriots came back was because of an epic collapse of the Broncos in the 3rd quarter.

I can't argue that, but is it because the WRs are that good or because the QBs make the WR? I'm not one to give all the glory to QBs so I'm not excluding him on that loss last night. He provided a critical INT that helped their demise on offense. To me, I think the officials were letting too much go in the secondary in terms of PI (on both sides). They probably should have been on top of that crap from the get go, or dont' bother throwing any flags at all. Too much inconsistency with the calls or non-calls last night.

Here is the problem with keeping the ball on the ground (which I agree with), is that you had two guys they have no confidence in whatsoever behind Moreno. Both Ball and Anderson fumbled last night, with Anderson's being in OT. Neither one of them played after that. Tell you what though, Moreno flat out balled last night and he's about the only one that can walk out with his head high. (Tamme and Miller as well)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Here is the problem with keeping the ball on the ground (which I agree with), is that you had two guys they have no confidence in whatsoever behind Moreno. Both Ball and Anderson fumbled last night, with Anderson's being in OT. Neither one of them played after that. Tell you what though, Moreno flat out balled last night and he's about the only one that can walk out with his head high. (Tamme and Miller as well)

Can you think of another player like Moreno in recent memory? Someone who spends four full seasons as a draft bust, and then comes back in year 5 and is one of the best in the league at the position? Moreno seems to defy comparison.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Can you think of another player like Moreno in recent memory? Someone who spends four full seasons as a draft bust, and then comes back in year 5 and is one of the best in the league at the position? Moreno seems to defy comparison.

Someone the other day just talked about Moreno being the 2nd most important player on the team. If he's going to miss any time, it's going to suck for Denver

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Can you think of another player like Moreno in recent memory? Someone who spends four full seasons as a draft bust, and then comes back in year 5 and is one of the best in the league at the position? Moreno seems to defy comparison.

While lots of differences exist, M. Lynch was heading in the same direction. After to 1,000+ seasons in Buffalo, he followed with a 450 yarder and a 740 yarder while playing for Buffalo and Seattle (traded mid-season). Lots of reasons existed to cause his poor production in years 3 & 4.

Even for those who saw the potential for a career revival in Seattle, however, I doubt anyone saw him becoming the Beast that drives Seattle. [Interestingly enough, both were the 12th pick in their respective drafts: Lynch - 2007; Moreno - 2009].

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

While lots of differences exist, M. Lynch was heading in the same direction. After to 1,000+ seasons in Buffalo, he followed with a 450 yarder and a 740 yarder while playing for Buffalo and Seattle (traded mid-season). Lots of reasons existed to cause his poor production in years 3 & 4.

Even for those who saw the potential for a career revival in Seattle, however, I doubt anyone saw him becoming the Beast that drives Seattle. [Interestingly enough, both were the 12th pick in their respective drafts: Lynch - 2007; Moreno - 2009].

That's a really good call. Lynch showed up in 2011 in training camp for his second team, and was good all of a sudden. And 2011 was, sure, his fifth season.