With the 17 pick, the Washington Redskins select...

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

The slow rebuilding plan is working great, 3 playoff wins in the last 24 years. The future is now. It is unlikely KC will be here next year, as well as other key members of the team. This wait until next year strategy is not working.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...dskins_seasons

Have you been watching the past 24 seasons? How many times did we try the win now strategy?

Free Agent splurges.
College Coach with a surefire offense that overhauls the team.
Trade away the future for a surefire QB prospect.

Just to name a few examples of failed win now attempts.

The slow rebuild is only 3 years in. There has been a significant improvement on offense, and we started by building a strong o line and developing a QB. Defense has been neglected in recent off seasons, but that largely has to do with what opportunities were available. We have been signing free agents to smart contracts and resigning productive guys and letting people walk that aren't worth their market value. This is how to build a long term winner. See the Patriots. Name me one team that has had sustained success with this supposed win now strategy?

And what specifically are you suggesting be done differently? Is this an argument against BPA? Let's think, did the skins ever reach and over saturate a position of need in the draft? Do the names Malcom Kelly and Devin Thomas ring a bell? I guess it is pretty easy to forget them TBH.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by WillH

Have you been watching the past 24 seasons? How many times did we try the win now strategy?

Free Agent splurges.
College Coach with a surefire offense that overhauls the team.
Trade away the future for a surefire QB prospect.

Just to name a few examples of failed win now attempts.

The slow rebuild is only 3 years in. There has been a significant improvement on offense, and we started by building a strong o line and developing a QB. Defense has been neglected in recent off seasons, but that largely has to do with what opportunities were available. We have been signing free agents to smart contracts and resigning productive guys and letting people walk that aren't worth their market value. This is how to build a long term winner. See the Patriots. Name me one team that has had sustained success with this supposed win now strategy?

And what specifically are you suggesting be done differently? Is this an argument against BPA? Let's think, did the skins ever reach and over saturate a position of need in the draft? Do the names Malcom Kelly and Devin Thomas ring a bell? I guess it is pretty easy to forget them TBH.

I said nothing about signing high priced free agents.

Nothing about coaches.

And I want to trade down, not up in the draft.

They could lose 4/5 of the offensive line in the next year or two. And the starting QB,WR, ILB, S could be gone next year as well. The 3 to 5 year plan starts over next year.

Good teams are built in the early to mid rounds in the draft..... Such as Cousins, Reed,Crowder, maybe Cravens. However, 1 or 2 good mid round picks a year and you will be rebuilding forever.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

trade down unless a great player at a position of need is available. Do not trade for picks in next year's draft . Draft players at positions of need.... there are plenty of needs, so what if they are rated slightly lower.

Rumor is the Texans wants to move up about 8 spots to get a QB. The Redskins would get pick #25 and the Texans #2 pick.... for pick #17

If the Redskins can come up with 12 picks, then maybe they will find more than 2 who contribute in 2017

Again though, it's flat out stupid to judge a draft after one year. Doc, Cravens, Fuller could all have a huge impact on this years team. I think SM traded for extra picks in this years draft cause it's obviously deeper on the defensive side of the ball.

Also if you get three players out of a draft that become good players then that's a good draft.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

To those who say McCaffrey Cant be a 3 down player I ask why Cant he be in the back field on 1st and 2nd down but then line up in the slot on 3rd down a la David Johnson and no I am not saying he is David Johnson or should run inside as much as Johnson

Johnson is like 230lbs. He's build like an NFL RB. McCaffrey simply does not have that kind of size on his frame. You can't run him in between the tackles. He won't last. He's a part time player and you can't draft a part time player in the first round. 4th round? Sure. You can find those type of players in the mid rounds.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Again though, it's flat out stupid to judge a draft after one year. Doc, Cravens, Fuller could all have a huge impact on this years team. I think SM traded for extra picks in this years draft cause it's obviously deeper on the defensive side of the ball.

Also if you get three players out of a draft that become good players then that's a good draft.

You could win the power ball too.

No, you will never be a playoff team if all you can get is 3 good players per draft.

[Skins4L]

I saw on a few mocks they had us taking a qb???

Defense. We must go defense. Championships aren't won with a juggernaut offense and NO defense.

Anybody have a hypothesis on why they have us taking a qb though? Am I missing something here?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

I saw on a few mocks they had us taking a qb???

Defense. We must go defense. Championships aren't won with a juggernaut offense and NO defense.

Anybody have a hypothesis on why they have us taking a qb though? Am I missing something here?

The only offensive position considered at 17 will be RB per Keim. All other O positions are off the board for 17.

[Skins4L]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The only offensive position considered at 17 will be RB per Keim. All other O positions are off the board for 17.

Gotcha. Appreciate it chico

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

You could win the power ball too.

No, you will never be a playoff team if all you can get is 3 good players per draft.

patriots never did, just look at their drafts between 2012-2014, adding about 3 good players per draft while winning their division each season.

2012: 7 total picks; 1 starter, 1 backup, 2* players now w other teams, 3 players out of the league /// *chandler jones traded to cardinals

2013: 7 total picks; 2 starters, 0 backups, 1* player now w another team, 4 players out of the league /// *jamie collins traded to browns

2014: 9 total picks; 0 starters, 3 backups, 2 players now w other teams, 4 players out of the league

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

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You could win the power ball too.

No, you will never be a playoff team if all you can get is 3 good players per draft.

I would disagree with that. You can draft 3 really good players and then you could have another 2 or 3 that are role players. Name me one team that hits on 7 draft picks? No one does. There are also undrafted players that can contribute like Rob Kelly. And then there are years where you miss on the draft. Even the teams that rely heavily on the draft, like Pittsburgh or Green Bay, they'll have bad drafts. It happens to everyone.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would disagree with that. You can draft 3 really good players and then you could have another 2 or 3 that are role players. Name me one team that hits on 7 draft picks? No one does. There are also undrafted players that can contribute like Rob Kelly. And then there are years where you miss on the draft. Even the teams that rely heavily on the draft, like Pittsburgh or Green Bay, they'll have bad drafts. It happens to everyone.

which brings me to the patriots' last 2 drafts, 2015-2016.

2015: 11 total picks; 3 starters, 4 backups, 2* players now w other teams, 2 players out of the league /// *a.j.derby traded to broncos and matthew wells to bears

2016: 9 total picks; 1 starter, 6 backups, 1 player now w another team, 1 player out of the league

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Christian McCaffrey, Running Back, Stanford

[Chico23231]

Takkarist McKinley Draft Profile – NFL.com

Hearing this name a lot in the last 24 hours to the Skins

[NCSUredskin]

Hopefully Jonathan Allen.....but I would be fine as long as its NOT on the offensive side of the ball

[htownskinfan]

I dont know who we should draft but I think Cousins will be traded to Cleveland,it just makes too much sense for both teams.Cleveland has multiple picks and desperately need a qb and they whiff on drafting qbs.Washington has pooched the Cousins negotiations and probably wont be able to sign him to a long term deal,plus we still dont have a GM and I think Snyder wouldnt mind sticking it to Cousins a little bit for playing hardball.
Even if it doesnt happen this weekend that doesnt mean its out of play even if Cleveland drafts a qb.If the Skins think enough of the qb the Browns drafted they could swap QBs and some draft picks involved in there somewhere.