Gibbs' take on Campbell's situation

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If Campbell does:

338/515, 66%, 23 TD/8 INT, 3,605 yards, 7.0 Y/A: QB Rating of 94.4
(this is my mean projection for Campbell)

Is that "great" or merely good?

Based on last year's offensive environment, he would be 6th in the NFL in QB rating.

that's a big if

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If Campbell does:

338/515, 66%, 23 TD/8 INT, 3,605 yards, 7.0 Y/A: QB Rating of 94.4
(this is my mean projection for Campbell)

Is that "great" or merely good?

Based on last year's offensive environment, he would be 6th in the NFL in QB rating.

Those numbers are good enough to be great. Questions would arise with it being a contract year though. He needs to add a little more proof to the pudding than that. While those numbers will be good enough to keep him in Washington, they might not be convincing enough for outside organizations to offer him big time money.

[MTK]

Guess I'm still not getting it but why would he be out of the league altogether?

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Guess I'm still not getting it but why would he be out of the league altogether?

It was a figure of speech meaning that the only way that he will have a job in the NFL is as a backup.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Angry

It was a figure of speech meaning that the only way that he will have a job in the NFL is as a backup.

Well your name fits you well. Jason Campbell is still learning to play QB in the NFL. He had to learn a new offense every year since coming to the Redskins. Maybe fans like you need to be patient and let him grow and learn the system. We better hope JC and Zorn succeed in DC cause will be set back another 3 years. Our losing since Synder has taken over due to Coaching changes and QB changes. We can't seem to keep a QB or Coach for more than 3years at a time. We all need to hope JC can improve and resign with the Redskins. Remember teams with good defenses can make it to the Super Bowl, just ask Rex Grossmen.

[MTK]

I guess there are a lot of guys out of the league right now then huh

[skinsfan69]

JC just needs to start taking more chances and stop playing dink and dunk ball. I don't buy the notion that Zorn isn't calling deep passes. Until he does that then his TD numbers will not improve and that's the bottom line. I don't care about comp. %, or rating. Make more big plays in the passing game and get your team in the end zone and all the stats will take care of itself. Until he does that then he'll never get a big contract. It's put up or shut up for Jason Campbell.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

JC just needs to start taking more chances and stop playing dink and dunk ball. I don't buy the notion that Zorn isn't calling deep passes. Until he does that then his TD numbers will not improve and that's the bottom line. I don't care about comp. %, or rating. Make more big plays in the passing game and get your team in the end zone and all the stats will take care of itself. Until he does that then he'll never get a big contract. It's put up or shut up for Jason Campbell.

Ditto. Stop blaming the WRs. Lots of teams have sucky receivers, but they still manage to score points - Miami, San Diego, Tennessee, Atlanta (well, when Vick was there they sucked). I've seen Miami march 80 yards down the field without throwing a single pass to a WR. New Orleans had so many WR injuries last year, they started putting random guys from the crowd into the game. Brees kept on hitting them for long gains. It's all about Campbell. No more excuses.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Ditto. Stop blaming the WRs. Lots of teams have sucky receivers, but they still manage to score points - Miami, San Diego, Tennessee, Atlanta (well, when Vick was there they sucked). I've seen Miami march 80 yards down the field without throwing a single pass to a WR. New Orleans had so many WR injuries last year, they started putting random guys from the crowd into the game. Brees kept on hitting them for long gains. It's all about Campbell. No more excuses.

Brees came within a few yards of breaking the all time yardage record with David Patton, Devry Henderson, Lance Moore, Robert Meachum and half a season with Colston. Amazing.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Ditto. Stop blaming the WRs. Lots of teams have sucky receivers, but they still manage to score points - Miami, San Diego, Tennessee, Atlanta (well, when Vick was there they sucked). I've seen Miami march 80 yards down the field without throwing a single pass to a WR. New Orleans had so many WR injuries last year, they started putting random guys from the crowd into the game. Brees kept on hitting them for long gains. It's all about Campbell. No more excuses.

Wait, ur comparing Campbell to Brees? I agree that ppl shouldn't completely blame the WRs, although they do tend to drop a lot of balls. But JC is nowhere near where Brees is at this point in his career.

Also, did you notice that all the teams that you mentioned (Miami, San Diego, Tenn, and New Orleans) were in the top 10 of least sacks allowed in 2009?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Ditto. Stop blaming the WRs. Lots of teams have sucky receivers, but they still manage to score points - Miami, San Diego, Tennessee, Atlanta (well, when Vick was there they sucked). I've seen Miami march 80 yards down the field without throwing a single pass to a WR. New Orleans had so many WR injuries last year, they started putting random guys from the crowd into the game. Brees kept on hitting them for long gains. It's all about Campbell. No more excuses.

What you're saying is true in the loosest sense of the term, all those teams had iffy production from the receivers and strong passing offenses, but in a more structured sense, not one of those teams were as bad on the outside as we were.

The Browns and Seahawks were probably worse at WR than we were last year, and you can probably throw the Raiders, Rams, Bears, and Vikings in there as well. But you know what, none of those teams had any semblence of a passing game last year. So, it's not proven that an offense can function at a higher level than ours last year without a better job on the outside. We'll see. The OL should improve, but the WRs must develop because the veterans aren't likely to be more healthy than they were last year.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

What you're saying is true in the loosest sense of the term, all those teams had iffy production from the receivers and strong passing offenses, but in a more structured sense, not one of those teams were as bad on the outside as we were.

The Browns and Seahawks were probably worse at WR than we were last year, and you can probably throw the Raiders, Rams, Bears, and Vikings in there as well. But you know what, none of those teams had any semblence of a passing game last year. So, it's not proven that an offense can function at a higher level than ours last year without a better job on the outside. We'll see. The OL should improve, but the WRs must develop because the veterans aren't likely to be more healthy than they were last year.

And do you think we did?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And do you think we did?

Do you want me to qualify this, or can I just leave it as an implied yes (without being taken out of context)?

EDIT
^^Probably reads as more smart alecky than intended. I was trying to ask if the sentence in the context above can stand for itself, or if you really want hard numbers that suggest our passing game was clearly better than Clevelands or Seattles.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

JC just needs to start taking more chances and stop playing dink and dunk ball. I don't buy the notion that Zorn isn't calling deep passes. Until he does that then his TD numbers will not improve and that's the bottom line. I don't care about comp. %, or rating. Make more big plays in the passing game and get your team in the end zone and all the stats will take care of itself. Until he does that then he'll never get a big contract. It's put up or shut up for Jason Campbell.

Well I will agree with this. I've thought for awhile that JC plays too safe. I'm just not sure if it's him or the coaching. I don't know if it's been drilled into his head not to turn the ball over since he's been here, but at some point he needs to take control and go for it. A receiver is not always "wide open" and sometimes you have to take a shot and let him make a play. I personally would like to see him be a playmaker instead of a Trent Dilfer manage-the-game type of QB. He has shown the ability and hopefully this year he shows he can do what Gibbs said a QB needs to do. Drive the team down the field in the middle of a hailstorm. I believe he's capable of it, I just hope he believes so too.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Well I will agree with this. I've thought for awhile that JC plays too safe. I'm just not sure if it's him or the coaching. I don't know if it's been drilled into his head not to turn the ball over since he's been here, but at some point he needs to take control and go for it. A receiver is not always "wide open" and sometimes you have to take a shot and let him make a play. I personally would like to see him be a playmaker instead of a Trent Dilfer manage-the-game type of QB. He has shown the ability and hopefully this year he shows he can do what Gibbs said a QB needs to do. Drive the team down the field in the middle of a hailstorm. I believe he's capable of it, I just hope he believes so too.

I wonder if JC was playing not to make a msitake or turn the ball over. He needs to know that he is our QB and no matter what we will ride with him. The coaches have to have confidence in him and let him go out and make plays. This way you let him go out succeed or fail.