Does anyone feel as if the Redskins Organization is dismantling Joe Gibb's work?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by CPAlltheWay012

the title is self-explanatory...

Actions up to this point (to me) almost make it appear that they are trying to get rid of what Gibbs instilled..

For instance, the hiring of Zorn immediately suggests a disconnect from Al Saunders.. Gibbs brought Al Saunders to Washington in hopes of producing a successful offense... IT SHOWED... look at the last 4 games of this season.. sure you can make the argument of inspired football and what not, however, its obvious with the introduction of a figure with experience (Todd Collins) this can be a top offense in the NFL as it WAS during that final stretch.. so main point: Why do you get rid of the main man in charge of the scheme: Al Saunders? .. Gibbs brought him for a reason..and we saw why at the end..

Gregg Williams is another example. It has been reported now that he is no longer in the running as head coach.. So does this comfirm the Redskins are going outside their organization for the job? Upon his arrival, Gibbs made severe roster changes and moves to start rebuilding.. who's to say that a new coach won't try the same thing? Now, there's the possibility Williams might leave, another member of the Redskins who came here for Gibbs.

Imagine: Joe Gibbs, Al Saunders, and Gregg Williams all leaving? What happened to progress and development we were going to continue with?

Todd Collins isn't the Redskins QB of the future, JC is and he never really showed that he truly felt comfortable in the Saunders system. True: Todd Collins came in and played well the last four games, but it was an entire team effort, not a testament to how the offensive system finally came around.

Williams, although I have never been sold that he is the best candidate for the head coaching position, does deserve better than a "smear campaign". I hope that rumor is totally false. If not, I feel sorry for him and I wonder who would want to serve under that sort of backstabbing ownership and management.

[BigSKINBauer]

Yes i do. We have some better character players but our team seems like it will be in the same disarray as it was before gibbs coming here. We do have good players though> Hopefully the move to zorn will be good for the development of Campbell because that is the number one priority going into the next few seasons.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

Yes i do. We have some better character players but our team seems like it will be in the same disarray as it was before gibbs coming here. We do have good players though> Hopefully the move to zorn will be good for the development of Campbell because that is the number one priority going into the next few seasons.

Isn't this Campbell's last year under contract?

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

Isn't this Campbell's last year under contract?

I think he has one more season beyond this one. Maybe someone can confirm. But yeah, we will have to resign him. I think the coach coming in will have to be confident in Campbell and must like him. I don't want a coach coming in and not liking campbell and wanting to put a guy he drafts or signs in. I don't want a brunell/Ramsey situation again.

[redwagonskins]

5 year $20 Million Contract signed in 2005. So maybe he gets 2 years with the new OC.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

I think he has one more season beyond this one. Maybe someone can confirm. But yeah, we will have to resign him. I think the coach coming in will have to be confident in Campbell and must like him. I don't want a coach coming in and not liking campbell and wanting to put a guy he drafts or signs in. I don't want a brunell/Ramsey situation again.

He is signed through 2009.

[cwboyh8ter]

So much for continuinty!

[goingdeep]

no because it going to be a new team next year cap 20millon over that why team and ch are getting change and start new.front of has no choice but to do this

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by goingdeep

no because it going to be a new team next year cap 20millon over that why team and ch are getting change and start new.front of has no choice but to do this

The team can easily make some moves and be under the cap. There is no such thing as cap hell for the redskins. It just always looks that way the way that the skins do their contracts. Really we won't have much trouble at all getting under the cap next year.

[Longtimefan]

If the current path of operation is continued then the answer to your question is a resounding yes.

It would apear to me it is the intent to remove all associated with Joe Gibbs, and a deeper look may reveal that the abrupt resignation of Gibbs may not have been all about the way it was spun in the media.

[MTK]

The second that Gibbs walked out the door at Redskins Park everything was up in the air. Let's face it, Gibbs was the glue that held this entire operation together. With him gone, Snyder needs to find people that he is comfortable and confident working with.

If Williams isn't his guy, fair enough. No matter what happens here I'm not going to play this silly blame game and assume Snyder and Cerrato are just hatching this evil plan to undo Gibbs' work. Gibbs' work came undone the second he stepped down. Once the staff is in place I really hope Snyder will explain what exactly went down in this process so we can get some answers straight from the source, rather than all this speculation because really that's all we're going on right now.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The second that Gibbs walked out the door at Redskins Park everything was up in the air. Let's face it, Gibbs was the glue that held this entire operation together. With him gone, Snyder needs to find people that he is comfortable and confident working with.

If Williams isn't his guy, fair enough. No matter what happens here I'm not going to play this silly blame game and assume Snyder and Cerrato are just hatching this evil plan to undo Gibbs' work. Gibbs' work came undone the second he stepped down. Once the staff is in place I really hope Snyder will explain what exactly went down in this process so we can get some answers straight from the source, rather than all this speculation because really that's all we're going on right now.

Anything coming out of Snyder's mouth at this point will be pure spin. At Gibbs's farewell press conference, Snyder preached continuity. Tell me how blowing up both the offensive and defensive coaching staffs lends itself to continuity?

On a different topic, we act as if there's no cap issue despite being $20M over at the moment. We ONLY don't have a problem if players like Portis, Moss, and others play ball, and renegotiate. With the presumed bloodbath on the coaching front, don't be surprised if more than just Springs pass on "helping" the Skins cap situation by renegotiating. If that comes to pass, we should expect several high profile cap casualties, further destroying the continuity that The Danny preached after Gibbs stepped down.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Anything coming out of Snyder's mouth at this point will be pure spin. At Gibbs's farewell press conference, Snyder preached continuity. Tell me how blowing up both the offensive and defensive coaching staffs lends itself to continuity?

On a different topic, we act as if there's no cap issue despite being $20M over at the moment. We ONLY don't have a problem if players like Portis, Moss, and others play ball, and renegotiate. With the presumed bloodbath on the coaching front, don't be surprised if more than just Springs pass on "helping" the Skins cap situation by renegotiating. If that comes to pass, we should expect several high profile cap casualties, further destroying the continuity that The Danny preached after Gibbs stepped down.

Interesting point, but it's not going to come to that. Restructuring is always in the players' benefit, money-wise. It's give-take for the team.

They'd have to want out REAL bad to not restructure.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Interesting point, but it's not going to come to that. Restructuring is always in the players' benefit, money-wise. It's give-take for the team.

They'd have to want out REAL bad to not restructure.

I agree that players benefit from restructuring, but let's use Portis as an example. I believe he is due somewhere around $5M in salary alone. If we convert that to a signing bonus, he has a guaranteed $5M in hand. I would argue that if he forced the Skins to cut him, he would certainly land more than $5M in SB as a free agent. He greatly helped his case by gaining 500+ yards from scrimmage over the final 4 games of the regular season. I'm not saying that he leaves, but Portis is an example of a top producer still young enough to demand a greater signing bonus in free agency than he could by restructuring.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Anything coming out of Snyder's mouth at this point will be pure spin. At Gibbs's farewell press conference, Snyder preached continuity. Tell me how blowing up both the offensive and defensive coaching staffs lends itself to continuity?

On a different topic, we act as if there's no cap issue despite being $20M over at the moment. We ONLY don't have a problem if players like Portis, Moss, and others play ball, and renegotiate. With the presumed bloodbath on the coaching front, don't be surprised if more than just Springs pass on "helping" the Skins cap situation by renegotiating. If that comes to pass, we should expect several high profile cap casualties, further destroying the continuity that The Danny preached after Gibbs stepped down.

So basically your mind is made up no matter what anyone says once the dust settles?