Roy Williams = dirty tackler

MTK · 12-20-2005, 08:47 AM

Did anyone notice he's still dragging people down by the collar this year? What was the point of the horse collar rule being put in to place? Portis injured his lower back when Williams yanked him down like that on the sideline, and after watching the highlights of the game I noticed Williams had at least two tackles like that on Portis.

I think they really need to look at the rule again this offseason... has anyone actually seen it called this season??

There seems to be this vague interpretation of what a horse collar actually is, I say if you grab the back of the shoulder pads around the collar area it should be a penalty, period.

What do you guys think?

TheMalcolmConnection · 12-20-2005, 08:50 AM

I agree. He bent Portis over backwards. That can cause some serious spinal injury.

scowan · 12-20-2005, 09:09 AM

I guess because I am aware of the rule, I have noticed that kind of tackling more this year than ever before. Hasn't that kind of tackling always been around, or is it a new way for guys to make a tackle? I can't remember if guys have aways tackled like that or not. I guess when you are chasing someone, you don't have a lot of options for ways to bring him down.

djnemo65 · 12-20-2005, 09:14 AM

I know, I was furious about this. I mean, they changed the rule primarily because of the way this one guy tackles, he's doing the tackle blatantly, and they aren't calling it.

Maybe I'm confused about the exact language of the rule, but it seems like it still happens as much as ever and doesn't really seem to get called much.

BrudLee · 12-20-2005, 09:19 AM

The rule was created because of the injury to Terrell Owens last year by... Roy Williams. Williams also injured Tyrone Calico in a preseason game, and Musa Smith of the Ravens last year, ending his season.

I have a feeling that unless there is an injury, the rule won't be enforced. As it is written, it's OK to grab the back of the shoulder pads, you just can't yank down. That grey area allows a lot of wiggle room in the implementation of penalty. More likely, the players may be fined after games, rather than punished during them.

mheisig · 12-20-2005, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Did anyone notice he's still dragging people down by the collar this year? What was the point of the horse collar rule being put in to place? Portis injured his lower back when Williams yanked him down like that on the sideline, and after watching the highlights of the game I noticed Williams had at least two tackles like that on Portis.

I think they really need to look at the rule again this offseason... has anyone actually seen it called this season??

There seems to be this vague interpretation of what a horse collar actually is, I say if you grab the back of the shoulder pads around the collar area it should be a penalty, period.

What do you guys think?

I agree his tackle on Portis was pretty dirty and I was waiting for the horse-collar call too. The explanation Joe Buck and Troy Aikman gave was that Williams had to grab inside Portis' shoulder pads in order for it to be a horse-collar. I guess Williams had the jersey and part of the pads but his hand wasn't actually inside.

They also said that even if the defenders hands is inside the pads that the motion has to be pretty quick - in other words if Portis drags Williams along for a few yards it isn't a penalty - Portis would have to get yanked back pretty abruptly.

Seems like alot of splitting of hairs to me...oh well, football is a rough game.

cpayne5 · 12-20-2005, 09:24 AM

I saw a segment with Mike Pereira (NFL's head of officiating), and he explained the rule.

Two things have to happen for a flag to be thrown.
* the defender gets his hand inside of the pads
* the defender immediately yanks the offensive player down

That tackle on Portis literally happened right in front of me and I was screaming and yelling for a flag to be thrown, but the way the rule reads, it was the correct call, I'm affraid.

Big C · 12-20-2005, 09:28 AM

i also noticed that almost every tackle roy williams makes is from behind. he is a dirty player, whether that exact style of pulling him down is illegal or not. it can seriously hurt someone, and we are lucky that portis' legs didnt get caught under him.

5RINGS · 12-20-2005, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

I saw a segment with Mike Pereira (NFL's head of officiating), and he explained the rule.

Two things have to happen for a flag to be thrown.
* the defender gets his hand inside of the pads
* the defender immediately yanks the offensive player down

That tackle on Portis literally happened right in front of me and I was screaming and yelling for a flag to be thrown, but the way the rule reads, it was the correct call, I'm affraid.

Exactly right,

as the rule is currently written, it was not a penalty. He didn't even bend him backwards, he bent him sideways.

Whatever, did you want to win by 42 points?

mheisig · 12-20-2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 5RINGS

Whatever, did you want to win by 42 points?

Yes! That would have been even better!

BrudLee · 12-20-2005, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

Whatever, did you want to win by 42 points?

Would you have wanted to?

MTK · 12-20-2005, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 5RINGS

Exactly right,

as the rule is currently written, it was not a penalty. He didn't even bend him backwards, he bent him sideways.

Whatever, did you want to win by 42 points?

Yes it was called correctly, I'm just debating as to whether the rule needs to be revised.

I'm concerned about seeing our franchise back being injured by a shady tackle, that's all.

Whatever happened to going for the legs or wrapping up a guy, Williams is constantly dragging people down by the collar.

dmek25 · 12-20-2005, 10:05 AM

i saw this called once this season.what happened sunday was called correctly because by rule,portis was not pulled down by his PADS.i for one,think this rule is ridiculous and just want football to be football.by the way,we need to move on to the BIGGEST GAME of the year,which happens saturday in our own back yard.if we win saturday,i will be making a trip down 95 to see the skins wrap up the division in philly(our home away from home)

D'BOYZ · 12-20-2005, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpayne5

I saw a segment with Mike Pereira (NFL's head of officiating), and he explained the rule.

Two things have to happen for a flag to be thrown.
* the defender gets his hand inside of the pads
* the defender immediately yanks the offensive player down

That tackle on Portis literally happened right in front of me and I was screaming and yelling for a flag to be thrown, but the way the rule reads, it was the correct call, I'm affraid.

Exactly this is what I was going to post according to the rule those both things need to happen and neither happend Williams grab the Jersey and didn't immediately yank Portis he ran a few yards before being tackle.

And NO it hasn't been called all season long after players new what needed to happen they just changed they why they do the tackle by doing it like Roy Williams did, and yes this type of Tackle has existed for as long as I can remmember.

It's just that now we all put more attention to it because of the rule

saden1 · 12-20-2005, 10:06 AM

I would have like to have seen Gibbs tell Sean Taylor to line up on offense and lay the smack-down on Williams.

12-20-2005, 08:47 AM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 51 Posts: 99,427	Roy Williams = dirty tackler Did anyone notice he's still dragging people down by the collar this year? What was the point of the horse collar rule being put in to place? Portis injured his lower back when Williams yanked him down like that on the sideline, and after watching the highlights of the game I noticed Williams had at least two tackles like that on Portis. I think they really need to look at the rule again this offseason... has anyone actually seen it called this season?? There seems to be this vague interpretation of what a horse collar actually is, I say if you grab the back of the shoulder pads around the collar area it should be a penalty, period. What do you guys think? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-20-2005, 08:50 AM	#2
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 19,218	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler I agree. He bent Portis over backwards. That can cause some serious spinal injury. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

12-20-2005, 09:09 AM	#3
scowan The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: KY Age: 55 Posts: 1,559	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler I guess because I am aware of the rule, I have noticed that kind of tackling more this year than ever before. Hasn't that kind of tackling always been around, or is it a new way for guys to make a tackle? I can't remember if guys have aways tackled like that or not. I guess when you are chasing someone, you don't have a lot of options for ways to bring him down.

12-20-2005, 09:14 AM	#4
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler I know, I was furious about this. I mean, they changed the rule primarily because of the way this one guy tackles, he's doing the tackle blatantly, and they aren't calling it. Maybe I'm confused about the exact language of the rule, but it seems like it still happens as much as ever and doesn't really seem to get called much.

12-20-2005, 09:19 AM	#5
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler The rule was created because of the injury to Terrell Owens last year by... Roy Williams. Williams also injured Tyrone Calico in a preseason game, and Musa Smith of the Ravens last year, ending his season. I have a feeling that unless there is an injury, the rule won't be enforced. As it is written, it's OK to grab the back of the shoulder pads, you just can't yank down. That grey area allows a lot of wiggle room in the implementation of penalty. More likely, the players may be fined after games, rather than punished during them. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

12-20-2005, 09:24 AM	#7
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler I saw a segment with Mike Pereira (NFL's head of officiating), and he explained the rule. Two things have to happen for a flag to be thrown. * the defender gets his hand inside of the pads * the defender immediately yanks the offensive player down That tackle on Portis literally happened right in front of me and I was screaming and yelling for a flag to be thrown, but the way the rule reads, it was the correct call, I'm affraid. __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

12-20-2005, 09:28 AM	#8
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler i also noticed that almost every tackle roy williams makes is from behind. he is a dirty player, whether that exact style of pulling him down is illegal or not. it can seriously hurt someone, and we are lucky that portis' legs didnt get caught under him. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

12-20-2005, 10:05 AM	#13
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 62 Posts: 10,672	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler i saw this called once this season.what happened sunday was called correctly because by rule,portis was not pulled down by his PADS.i for one,think this rule is ridiculous and just want football to be football.by the way,we need to move on to the BIGGEST GAME of the year,which happens saturday in our own back yard.if we win saturday,i will be making a trip down 95 to see the skins wrap up the division in philly(our home away from home)

12-20-2005, 10:06 AM	#15
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 44 Posts: 10,069	Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler I would have like to have seen Gibbs tell Sean Taylor to line up on offense and lay the smack-down on Williams.

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