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Old 11-14-2005, 05:32 AM   #1
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Alstott get in???

Don't wanna dwell on this one or say we shoulda won etc. Just curious if ya'll think he was in?






I don't think he was but the inconclusive as far as I could see.
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Old 11-14-2005, 07:15 AM   #2
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Re: Alstott get in???

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The dude's elbow was down before goal line how can you not overturn that? i am freaking fuming right now.

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Old 11-14-2005, 07:19 AM   #3
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Re: Alstott get in???

After seeing the replay it's actually impossible for the ball to be over the goalline when his elbow hits the ground. Bad call.
Let's hope we can stay undefeated at home this weekend against the Raiders!!!
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Old 11-14-2005, 07:38 AM   #4
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Re: Alstott get in???

Yeah, he never made it. We shouldn't have given up so damn many points, but still it should have been over there. I just hosted the file on my FTP.

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Old 11-14-2005, 07:41 AM   #5
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Re: Alstott get in???

Agreed we shouldn't have given em the chance for this play or given up 34 pts at this point in the game. But ya gotta admit, he clearly didn't cross the plain with the ball until after his elbow was down. Again I don't wanna cry over spilt milk, but when you have a replay its supposed to be watched.
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Old 11-14-2005, 08:23 AM   #6
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Its way too close to call but they gave it to him twice, on the initial play and again on replay, so I guess he was in. This game should have never come down to that play and in reality TB wanted to kick the xp and go to OT but the redskins D made going for 2 an option Gruden could not resist. Had this game gone to OT the skins would have won.
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Old 11-14-2005, 08:43 AM   #7
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He was NOT in period. stop making excuses. they are afraid to make the call. anyone with eyes can see the ball in his arm and hand then the arm and elbow come down short. to say that it is inconclusive is to deny what your eyes see.yes , it shouldn't have come to this but it did and our d did their job and stopped him short. than the refs as they always seen to do say it's inconclusive when anyone with eyes that want to see can see.this was our game.please don't make excuses for the refs they blew it plain and simple.and to hide behind the fact that it shouldn't have gotten to that point is over stating the obvious and ignoring the facts.it did end that way.oh well lets move on my head's beginning to hurt.
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Old 11-14-2005, 09:21 AM   #8
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Re: Alstott get in???

Terrible call. From the side angle you could clearly tell that Allstott was laying on the ground short of the goalline, and then he reached the ball across once the play was over. I don't know what the headlinesman was looking at.

The replay even showed that the elbow came down well short of the goalline, and it's impossible to have the ball ahead of the elbow when the elbow is bent the way it was.

The real shame of it was that LaVar got a big enough piece of Allsott to get him to the ground while using his patented LaVar Leap. But the refs blew the call, and hence Arrington's tremendous play goes unnoticed.

F'ing b*llshit. That's the second game the refs have robbed us of this year. I don't want to hear anybody around the league saying that the Redskins have gotten fortunate bounces this year. They've had just as many bad ones as good ones. Ridiculous.
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Old 11-14-2005, 09:25 AM   #9
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9000 miles away I could see that was a blown call . And for the appologists that say yes well we should never have let them get to that situation it doesn't excuse the refs blunder . It was a close game, close games come down to one or two plays and the fact is we flat out stopped them on the two pointer, the same would be true if the score was 7-8 or 100-7 the ball did not cross the goal line no score .

The sick thing about this call is if it was judged on the field that he didn't make it and the booth replay came in I belive there is no way hell that that call could have been overturned either because there is no inconclusive proof . So what you have here is a game which could be pivitol in the season of these two football teams in Americas national sport descided on one guys oppinion .

Now I am not saying this just because it is the redskins but that sounds like it give the referee a big say in the outcome of these kinds of games and in turn that sounds like he singlehandedly can fix the outcome of the game . So are NFL games fixed ? Is the sport that I love over here in the UK and have done for the last 20 years as fake as Pro-wrestling ? I hope not...

The problem is in the replay it needs to be incontrovertable proof to overturn the ruling on the field no matter how bogus . The refs might end up going away from a game knowing they have made a bad call simply becasue they have no way of overturning it, that bad call may be the reason the ball game is won or lost especially if it occurs in the last 2 minutes so why can the ref not have a call reasonable doubt and refer it to officials away from the field to review further ?
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Old 11-14-2005, 09:35 AM   #10
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I thought a player was down when his knee is on the ground, not the elbow.
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Old 11-14-2005, 09:44 AM   #11
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One elbow = two knees

Just check the previous week when Portis got his elbow down on that sideline catch.
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Old 11-14-2005, 09:50 AM   #12
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One elbow = two knees

Just check the previous week when Portis got his elbow down on that sideline catch.
That was how the refs determined if CP was inbounds not whether he was downed/tackled.
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Old 11-14-2005, 09:56 AM   #13
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Re: Alstott get in???

Actually, 1 elbow = 1 knee = 2 feet.

All three determine in/out bounds and the knee/ elbow determines down.
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Old 11-14-2005, 10:09 AM   #14
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Re: Alstott get in???

I am wondering what the analyst had to say on that. I was in a bar in Charlotte NC and couldn't hear the anouncers. Did they say he was down, or did he get in? Clearly his elbow was down, and the ball was tucked towards his chest, which means the ball was behind his elbow. But it shouldn't have come down to us waiting on a review call to win or lose the game. We let simms look like a probowler yesterday. We couldn't get pressure, no matter how many people we sent. And I dont care who GW is, I think to blitz 7 or 8 guys on that TD pass at the end of the game was a bad call. I know we are trying to force a bad throw or a sack. But we had been burned several times during the game trying to do that. On top of that, we sent springs on the blitz, he is our best cover corner. we left Harris (who was beaten several times) covering one on one with a speed guy, and Proliau was out of position, AGAIN!!. This guy was running towards the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. what the hell is he thinking. You never let someone get deep that late in the game, and its the safetys responcability.
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Old 11-14-2005, 10:14 AM   #15
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Re: Alstott get in???

When they showed the last angle of this right elbow hitting the turf, Aikman said he can't be in if his elbow is down because even though you couldn't see the ball, how could the ball be ahead of his elbow?

He didn't make it, the refs didn't have the stones to reverse it.
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