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BigRed · 08-30-2005, 04:52 PM

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RedskinRat · 08-30-2005, 04:55 PM

4-12.....That's hilarious!

Dr. Z. Where did he get his PHD from?

BrudLee · 08-30-2005, 05:00 PM

You have to be pretty aggressively bad to go 4-12. Who sees that much rottenness on this team?

I'm not really upset by people who says we're a 6-10 team. I disagree, but I'm not angry. This kind of thing just pisses me off, though. They must really think the D is going to fall off the face of the earth.

RedskinRat · 08-30-2005, 05:05 PM

It gives our D no credit whatsoever, which is just stupid. They'll at least be as good as they were last season, I'd even say better given their second year in a scheme, LaVar back, strong CB's.

I see them actually scoring a load this season instead of 'just' setting the Offense up with good field position.

RedskinRat · 08-30-2005, 05:07 PM

And:

The ball is still in Patrick Ramsey's hands, but there are two other options at quarterback if the offense sputters as it did a year ago

Did Joe Gibbs really come back for this? Did the Hall of Famer and three-time Super Bowl winner return to pro football last year to go 6-10, his worst record in 13 seasons as an NFL coach? Did the offensive guru end his retirement to watch his team score 15 points a game, the second-fewest in the league? "People always ask me, 'Did you have fun?'" says Gibbs, 64. "I say, 'I did six times. Ten times I didn't.' But I think for me, this is where I'm supposed to be."

Whether Gibbs has more fun this year depends in large part on the ability of Patrick Ramsey, a quarterback on a short leash, to hook up with a height-challenged receiving corps. At one wideout the Redskins will start 5'10" Santana Moss, acquired from the Jets in a trade for Laveranues Coles. On the other side they have 5'10" David Patten, lured from the Patriots with a five-year, $13 million free-agent deal. By going small at wide receiver Washington is bucking the trend toward the Terrell Owens prototype (the physical aspects, anyway) but also harking back to the days of their own Smurfs -- the quick, diminutive wideouts who helped the Gibbs-led Skins to victory in Super Bowl XVII. Patten adds that anyone who doesn't believe a team can win with smaller receivers hasn't been watching the Patriots win three of the last four NFL titles. "Look at their roster the past four years," he says. "You might prefer a big receiver and think he's going to give you an advantage, but you look at [the Pats'] corps, our tallest starting receiver [David Givens] was 6 feet. And Deion Branch, last year's Super Bowl MVP, is 5'9"."

At least Ramsey is 6'2" and able to spot his receivers squirting through the secondary, though at the same time he'll be watching over his shoulder for veteran passer Mark Brunell and rookie first-round pick Jason Campbell. Ramsey won back the starting job from Brunell at midseason last year, but he threw only 10 touchdown passes against 11 interceptions, and Brunell, who turns 35 on Sept. 17, has looked better in camp than he did in 2004 (his first season with Washington). In reaffirming Ramsey as his starter going into the season, Gibbs says selecting Campbell out of Auburn with the 25th pick follows his pattern of always drafting good quarterbacks when they are available, as he did with Jay Schroeder in the third round of the 1984 draft, when he had Joe Theismann. The Redskins, however, paid a high price for the 6'5" Campbell, sending the Broncos their third-round choice in 2005 and first- and fourth-round selections in '06 so they could move up to take him.

Ramsey, the last choice of the first round of the 2002 draft, admits that he felt slighted when the Redskins selected a quarterback so high but says what matters most is that the ball is in his hands. "What it comes down to is, I need to play well this year," Ramsey says, "and we'll take it from there." He will at least be working behind an improved line. The team signed free-agent center Casey Rabach (six years, $18.5 million), late of the Ravens, and right tackle Jon Jansen returns after missing all of 2004 with a ruptured left Achilles tendon. Those two will also be counted on to open more and bigger holes for Clinton Portis, who in his first season in Washington rushed for 1,315 yards but was held to 70 yards or less in seven games.

Jansen says the offense should be better in 2005 simply because players didn't have to learn another new system, a rarity for them in recent years; the seven-year veteran says this off-season was the quietest he has seen in Washington. True, free safety Sean Taylor faces a felony aggravated-assault charge stemming from a June incident in which his two all-terrain vehicles were allegedly stolen (his scheduled Sept. 12 trial date could be postponed until after the season), but there were no major coaching moves for a change and relatively little player turnover as owner Daniel Snyder has stuck to his word and let Gibbs run the team. "Every year leading up to this one we've had a lot of hoopla and a lot of circus activity," Jansen says. "This year we've stayed pretty low-key and we've kept a lot of guys, as many as we could. I think there are going to be a lot of [opponents] who aren't ready for us."

If part of the Gibbs plan was to sneak up on opponents in Year 2, last season will have been the perfect setup.

-- Bill Syken --

firstdown · 08-30-2005, 05:11 PM

Nice picture of Ramsey.

illdefined · 08-30-2005, 05:20 PM

all the negative press the Skins get is 95% deserved. the other 5% is just creative license. can't waste our frustration on the writers, we gotta save it for the referees and Vinny Ceratto.

someone should print the reams of bad press and leave it in a pile in front of Redskin Park. if shutting Lenny Pastabelly's gaping maw isn't motivation, nothing is.

Gmanc711 · 08-30-2005, 05:24 PM

I'm not saying everyone should say we are gonna win the Superbowl. I dont even mind that much guys who say were not a good team. But 4-12??? Thats like worst team in the league category. You gotta be joking me with somthing like that. Whatever.

jbcjr14 · 08-30-2005, 05:26 PM

this article is just horrid! I cannot believe that someone can predict 4-12 knowing the type of defense we have. Even if the offense is the same, we are at worst a 6-10 team. Jesus, I can't wait to send that little pri*k an email.

illdefined · 08-30-2005, 05:28 PM

people are just trying to compensate for when they said 11-7 last year with Gibbs' return. not Lenny tho. he's committed to hating us even if we drafted Jesus.

RedskinRat · 08-30-2005, 05:39 PM

Suggestion: Print off the prediction page, save it for season's end, then mail it in to Dr. Z with a note asking him how he has a job.

BigSKINBauer · 08-30-2005, 05:55 PM

to even respond to this is giving it to much credit

saden1 · 08-30-2005, 06:18 PM

What a punk ass pussy, he didn't even justify one bit why he thinks we are going to be bad this year. Worse than yellow journalism!

djnemo65 · 08-30-2005, 06:20 PM

Dr. Z has been a joke for a long time...this solidifies it

wilsowilso · 08-30-2005, 06:30 PM

Most experts would agree that our D is going to be very good to great. Look at last year. Look at Williams track record. Look at the first string D beat downs during the preseason this year. The D is really good.

This 4-12 nonsense really means that Dr Z. is saying that our offense is going to be really bad. He's saying Joe Gibbs can't coach anymore. He's saying that the game has passed him by. He's predicting that our offense will remain at bottom of the league. Our record will actually get worse in Gibbs second year back? No respect at all. None.

Why would he think that? Is he a one year historian? Does Dr. Z(Peter King and Lenny P included) hate Danny Boy so much that he/they would dare to say Joe Gibbs can't figure out this smarter more modern and complicated nfl just out of spite for our owner? Joe Gibbs is an architect of three world championships with three completely different Redskin teams. He is a legend of innovative theory and design in the football world. Joe Gibbs is devising plays right now that no one has ever seen before. He is going to change the NFL for the second time. Forget about a middle of the road offense. Whether it's this year or the next Joe Gibbs will be leading a top flight NFL offense before it's all said and done. Dr. Z is just like the rest of us. He only wishes and dreams that he could see a football field in the way Joe Gibbs looks at it. Dr. Z is simply a simple man. NFL watch out. Mr Gibbs is going to change the neighborhood for a second time around. These guys just don't get it yet.

08-30-2005, 04:52 PM	#1
BigRed Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 50 Posts: 67	No love from cnnsi.com either http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...eport/?cnn=yes

08-30-2005, 04:55 PM	#2
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: No love from cnnsi.com either 4-12.....That's hilarious! Dr. Z. Where did he get his PHD from?

08-30-2005, 05:00 PM	#3
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: No love from cnnsi.com either You have to be pretty aggressively bad to go 4-12. Who sees that much rottenness on this team? I'm not really upset by people who says we're a 6-10 team. I disagree, but I'm not angry. This kind of thing just pisses me off, though. They must really think the D is going to fall off the face of the earth. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

08-30-2005, 05:05 PM	#4
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: No love from cnnsi.com either It gives our D no credit whatsoever, which is just stupid. They'll at least be as good as they were last season, I'd even say better given their second year in a scheme, LaVar back, strong CB's. I see them actually scoring a load this season instead of 'just' setting the Offense up with good field position.

08-30-2005, 05:07 PM	#5
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: No love from cnnsi.com either And: The ball is still in Patrick Ramsey's hands, but there are two other options at quarterback if the offense sputters as it did a year ago Did Joe Gibbs really come back for this? Did the Hall of Famer and three-time Super Bowl winner return to pro football last year to go 6-10, his worst record in 13 seasons as an NFL coach? Did the offensive guru end his retirement to watch his team score 15 points a game, the second-fewest in the league? "People always ask me, 'Did you have fun?'" says Gibbs, 64. "I say, 'I did six times. Ten times I didn't.' But I think for me, this is where I'm supposed to be." Whether Gibbs has more fun this year depends in large part on the ability of Patrick Ramsey, a quarterback on a short leash, to hook up with a height-challenged receiving corps. At one wideout the Redskins will start 5'10" Santana Moss, acquired from the Jets in a trade for Laveranues Coles. On the other side they have 5'10" David Patten, lured from the Patriots with a five-year, $13 million free-agent deal. By going small at wide receiver Washington is bucking the trend toward the Terrell Owens prototype (the physical aspects, anyway) but also harking back to the days of their own Smurfs -- the quick, diminutive wideouts who helped the Gibbs-led Skins to victory in Super Bowl XVII. Patten adds that anyone who doesn't believe a team can win with smaller receivers hasn't been watching the Patriots win three of the last four NFL titles. "Look at their roster the past four years," he says. "You might prefer a big receiver and think he's going to give you an advantage, but you look at [the Pats'] corps, our tallest starting receiver [David Givens] was 6 feet. And Deion Branch, last year's Super Bowl MVP, is 5'9"." At least Ramsey is 6'2" and able to spot his receivers squirting through the secondary, though at the same time he'll be watching over his shoulder for veteran passer Mark Brunell and rookie first-round pick Jason Campbell. Ramsey won back the starting job from Brunell at midseason last year, but he threw only 10 touchdown passes against 11 interceptions, and Brunell, who turns 35 on Sept. 17, has looked better in camp than he did in 2004 (his first season with Washington). In reaffirming Ramsey as his starter going into the season, Gibbs says selecting Campbell out of Auburn with the 25th pick follows his pattern of always drafting good quarterbacks when they are available, as he did with Jay Schroeder in the third round of the 1984 draft, when he had Joe Theismann. The Redskins, however, paid a high price for the 6'5" Campbell, sending the Broncos their third-round choice in 2005 and first- and fourth-round selections in '06 so they could move up to take him. Ramsey, the last choice of the first round of the 2002 draft, admits that he felt slighted when the Redskins selected a quarterback so high but says what matters most is that the ball is in his hands. "What it comes down to is, I need to play well this year," Ramsey says, "and we'll take it from there." He will at least be working behind an improved line. The team signed free-agent center Casey Rabach (six years, $18.5 million), late of the Ravens, and right tackle Jon Jansen returns after missing all of 2004 with a ruptured left Achilles tendon. Those two will also be counted on to open more and bigger holes for Clinton Portis, who in his first season in Washington rushed for 1,315 yards but was held to 70 yards or less in seven games. Jansen says the offense should be better in 2005 simply because players didn't have to learn another new system, a rarity for them in recent years; the seven-year veteran says this off-season was the quietest he has seen in Washington. True, free safety Sean Taylor faces a felony aggravated-assault charge stemming from a June incident in which his two all-terrain vehicles were allegedly stolen (his scheduled Sept. 12 trial date could be postponed until after the season), but there were no major coaching moves for a change and relatively little player turnover as owner Daniel Snyder has stuck to his word and let Gibbs run the team. "Every year leading up to this one we've had a lot of hoopla and a lot of circus activity," Jansen says. "This year we've stayed pretty low-key and we've kept a lot of guys, as many as we could. I think there are going to be a lot of [opponents] who aren't ready for us." If part of the Gibbs plan was to sneak up on opponents in Year 2, last season will have been the perfect setup. -- Bill Syken --

08-30-2005, 05:11 PM	#6
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: No love from cnnsi.com either Nice picture of Ramsey.

08-30-2005, 05:20 PM	#7
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Re: No love from cnnsi.com either all the negative press the Skins get is 95% deserved. the other 5% is just creative license. can't waste our frustration on the writers, we gotta save it for the referees and Vinny Ceratto. someone should print the reams of bad press and leave it in a pile in front of Redskin Park. if shutting Lenny Pastabelly's gaping maw isn't motivation, nothing is.

08-30-2005, 05:24 PM	#8
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Re: No love from cnnsi.com either I'm not saying everyone should say we are gonna win the Superbowl. I dont even mind that much guys who say were not a good team. But 4-12??? Thats like worst team in the league category. You gotta be joking me with somthing like that. Whatever. __________________ #21

08-30-2005, 05:26 PM	#9
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 55 Posts: 2,015	Re: No love from cnnsi.com either this article is just horrid! I cannot believe that someone can predict 4-12 knowing the type of defense we have. Even if the offense is the same, we are at worst a 6-10 team. Jesus, I can't wait to send that little pri*k an email. __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

08-30-2005, 05:28 PM	#10
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Re: No love from cnnsi.com either people are just trying to compensate for when they said 11-7 last year with Gibbs' return. not Lenny tho. he's committed to hating us even if we drafted Jesus.

08-30-2005, 05:39 PM	#11
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: No love from cnnsi.com either Suggestion: Print off the prediction page, save it for season's end, then mail it in to Dr. Z with a note asking him how he has a job.

08-30-2005, 05:55 PM	#12
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 36 Posts: 5,688	Re: No love from cnnsi.com either to even respond to this is giving it to much credit

08-30-2005, 06:18 PM	#13
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: No love from cnnsi.com either What a punk ass pussy, he didn't even justify one bit why he thinks we are going to be bad this year. Worse than yellow journalism!

08-30-2005, 06:20 PM	#14
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: No love from cnnsi.com either Dr. Z has been a joke for a long time...this solidifies it

08-30-2005, 06:30 PM	#15
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 51 Posts: 2,841	DC native 1st post Most experts would agree that our D is going to be very good to great. Look at last year. Look at Williams track record. Look at the first string D beat downs during the preseason this year. The D is really good. This 4-12 nonsense really means that Dr Z. is saying that our offense is going to be really bad. He's saying Joe Gibbs can't coach anymore. He's saying that the game has passed him by. He's predicting that our offense will remain at bottom of the league. Our record will actually get worse in Gibbs second year back? No respect at all. None. Why would he think that? Is he a one year historian? Does Dr. Z(Peter King and Lenny P included) hate Danny Boy so much that he/they would dare to say Joe Gibbs can't figure out this smarter more modern and complicated nfl just out of spite for our owner? Joe Gibbs is an architect of three world championships with three completely different Redskin teams. He is a legend of innovative theory and design in the football world. Joe Gibbs is devising plays right now that no one has ever seen before. He is going to change the NFL for the second time. Forget about a middle of the road offense. Whether it's this year or the next Joe Gibbs will be leading a top flight NFL offense before it's all said and done. Dr. Z is just like the rest of us. He only wishes and dreams that he could see a football field in the way Joe Gibbs looks at it. Dr. Z is simply a simple man. NFL watch out. Mr Gibbs is going to change the neighborhood for a second time around. These guys just don't get it yet.

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